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To: stfassisi

FYI... not all Lutherans believe the body and blood are only "symbolic"...i'm a conservative Lutheran and I believe the true body and true blood are present in the Lord's Supper...Christ said so and I'm buyin it...

by the way, how long did it take you to type that, wow...


12 posted on 12/05/2006 5:41:32 PM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: phatus maximus
The question to you is do you believe in Transubstantiation (Catholic teaching)or co-Transubstantiation(as Luther)?

There is a difference.
14 posted on 12/05/2006 5:54:27 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: phatus maximus

Martin Luther had lost his faith in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Luther professed to believe in transubstantiation. Well how can you have transubstantiation if you don’t have a Real Presence which is made possible by the words of Consecration by validly ordained priests? Although Martin Luther, even though he might use the word transubstantiation, he coined the word consubstantiation. In other words, even where he would retain the word transubstantiation, he really meant and spent thousands of words explaining what he meant by consubstantiation. Transubstantiation means, that what had been bread and wine in substance, are changed into the Whole Jesus Christ. So what becomes present on the altar is no longer, no longer the substance of bread and wine, that’s gone. By replacing the substance of bread and wine is both the substance of Christ’s Living Body and Blood and all the physical properties of Christ’s living humanity. For Luther has the word consubstantiation. “Con” being the equivalent of quo in Latin, the substance of bread and wine remain.
Dear Friend,Here is the difference, and what the apostles and ALL the early church Fathers believed
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm


22 posted on 12/05/2006 6:29:36 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: phatus maximus
I believe the true body and true blood are present in the Lord's Supper...Christ said so and I'm buyin it...

This is wonderful,Dear friend! You can also spend time in Eucharist Adoration.All are welcome in the Catholic Church or Chapel for exposition of the Blessed Sacrament(ALL Denominations can attend) Our Lord said.... "Could you not spent one hour with me" Adoration will be the some of the best time you will ever spend with HIM.

24 posted on 12/05/2006 7:30:50 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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