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To: Kolokotronis

Must be another reason why Anglicans don't have communion with those who pray to and bow down before and worship images (called icons), in open violation of the 2nd Commandment, and have for centuries--calling that "orthodox."

If you're not Anglican--or at least Protestant, you really shouldn't be commenting on an Anglican thread.


7 posted on 10/28/2006 8:29:27 AM PDT by AnalogReigns (orthodox means we believe the bible)
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To: AnalogReigns

"Must be another reason why Anglicans don't have communion with those who pray to and bow down before and worship images (called icons), in open violation of the 2nd Commandment, and have for centuries--calling that "orthodox.""

I did realize, or at least suspect, that TEC had gone iconoclast;I didn't realize that Anglicanism in general had. Someone must have forgotten to remove those two beautiful icons in the narthex of Westminster Cathedral.

"If you're not Anglican--or at least Protestant, you really shouldn't be commenting on an Anglican thread."

Really? I'd have thought sionnsar would have told me to get lost a couple of years back were that true. In any case, since Anglicanism proclaims itself the preservers of Orthodox Catholicism in the West (and I think to a great extent it was), I should think that someone who is Greek Orthodox would be in a particularly good position to comment, especially when it comes to the embrace of ancient heresies with which we of course have so much experience or alternatively to remark upon such innovations as receiving those who would proclaim that "the Holy Spirit is doing a new thing". As for the ABC, well he claims to be within the Apostolic Succession yet is reputed to be connected with druidism and refuses to follow the canons in dealing with heretical bishops, unlike many, indeed apparently most other Anglican bishops outside the First World. Some of the Fathers say he is, therefore, an enemy of God. Heretical bishops were not uncommon in The Church. +John Chrysostomos says that the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. If Anglicanism claims to be a "particular church" within The Church, to use +BXVI's formula, then you've got to be ready to deal with out and out heresy and heresiarcs. If, on the other hand, Anglicanism claims merely to be a Protestant "ecclesial assembly", well then you're absolutely right. Heresy there is neither a surprise nor really any of Orthodoxy's business.


8 posted on 10/28/2006 10:11:24 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: AnalogReigns; Kolokotronis; lightman
It looks like you--and other protestant icon-disparagers--need a crash course in the real significance of veneration (not worship) of icons in the Orthodox Church. As part of that, you need to learn about the Seventh Ecumenical Council, which many Angicans and Lutherans accept!!!!

And not all Anglicans--or Lutherans--are protestants! Some of them are Anglo-Catholics and evangelical catholics. For the record, I am an Orthodox-oriented evangelical catholic Lutheran who attends a Serbian Orthodox church about once a month. Yes, I venerate icons. And I believe that Lutherans and Anglicans need to take the lead in recovering the Orthodoxy of the West!!!!

And there were two icons (one of the Lord and one of the Theotokos) behnd the altar in the Lutheran church I was in this morning!!!!

10 posted on 10/28/2006 3:04:46 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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