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To: kerryusama04
There is only one Law of God.

The Law of God is unified in the sense of being complete. But it also has different parts, concerning different categories and aspects of Christian living. Jesus Himself gives us *two* greatest commandments. Moses gives us *ten* commandments, along with ceremonial laws, moral laws, and political laws.

Why can't you do what the Bible says? 1Ti 5:19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except on the basis of two or three witnesses.

How is praying for the excommunicated person and trying to persuade him to seek reconciliation with the Church a case of failing to follow 1 Tim 5:19?

What do you think of the verses where Jesus admonishes the hierarchal and untouchable church of his time?

The Church was founded by Christ on Peter the rock (Matt 16:18). So, I think you are misinterpreting the passages to which you are referring. The Twelve Apostles are the foundation stones of the Church (see Revelation 21:14).

-A8

1,328 posted on 10/25/2006 8:56:39 AM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: adiaireton8
The Law of God is unified in the sense of being complete. But it also has different parts, concerning different categories and aspects of Christian living. Jesus Himself gives us *two* greatest commandments. Moses gives us *ten* commandments, along with ceremonial laws, moral laws, and political laws.

Jesus summarizes the 10 Commandments into two. The Law of God is 100% moral.

How is praying for the excommunicated person and trying to persuade him to seek reconciliation with the Church a case of failing to follow 1 Tim 5:19?

What part of 1 Tim 5:19 says anything about reconciliation with a Church? Reading further, my argument is even more reinforced by the Apostle:

1Ti 5:24 The sins of some men are quite evident, going before them to judgment; for others, their sins follow after. 1Ti 5:25 Likewise also, deeds that are good are quite evident, and those which are otherwise cannot be concealed.

Why can't you simply get together with your Catholic brethren and accuse a Priest, Bishop, Cardinal, or Pope of committing evident sins?

The Church was founded by Christ on Peter the rock (Matt 16:18). So, I think you are misinterpreting the passages to which you are referring. The Twelve Apostles are the foundation stones of the Church (see Revelation 21:14).

The Church was founded on the Holy Spirit, not the man Peter. Did you miss this verse?

1Pe 5:1 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,

What of the account of Mat 21:23-17? How did the people recognize John the Baptist as a prophet? How does one recognize Godliness? It certainly is not the church in this instance? Paul writes that the laity can accuse the clergy, to be careful when laying on of hands, etc. There had to be a clear standard for God to deal with us. Men are all sinful.

Rom 3:9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; Rom 3:10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;

Lev 24:22 'There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the LORD your God.'"

1,349 posted on 10/25/2006 9:44:20 AM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20, Eze 22:26)
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