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Mary is just another dead sinner. If she was capable of perfection, which no mere mortal is, then we wouldn't have needed Christs' death on the cross. Even Mary needed the death of Jesus to be able to go to heaven.

Clearly the Bible does NOT elevate her in the way you have been taught. I notice as usual ... there are NO verses in the Bible to support praying TO Mary or any other dead sinner. We are ONLY to pray to the living God.

Again, I and other believers call high and direct. Praying for others is fine, however WHO you pray TO makes a BIG difference - ONLY to Christ.

It works like this for Christians:

Christ is the MEDIATOR and the Holy Spirit is the INTERCESSOR. Christ ALONE, died for our sins; not Peter, Paul or Mary. ONLY Christ. The punishment for sin is DEATH and Christ paid that price by laying His INNOCENT life down for all. The Holy Spirit did NOT die for us. Again, ONLY Christ paid the price.

1 Timothy 2:5

[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Romans 8:26

[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

The Holy Spirit is on this earth and indwells within the believer. The Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity - three in one as stated in the Bible as well.

It really doesn't matter how you despise the Bible or how many pile on trying to minimize what the BIBLE STATES about WHOM to PRAY TO. Christians are ONLY to pray to CHRIST and the Holy Spirit intercedes for them. Christ is the ONLY mediator. None of us, including Mary are good enough to go directly to the Father. God HATES sin and why He had to look away when Christ was on the cross and all the sin, past present and future were laid on Him.

Don't you find it odd how you are taught DIFFERENTLY? The real question is, are you going to accept and believe what other sinners tell you to believe or are YOU going to believe what God states, rather clearly in the Bible?

It's pointless to keep repeating what the Bible says .. when you as just another sinner, refuse to accept it and believe it. Like Mary, YOU to need to pray ONLY to Christ.

[Salvation]

**Mary is just another dead sinner.**

Who is feeding you this nonsense? Read your Bible!!It's all right there!!

Have you not read Luke? Why would the angel call Mary, "favored one"?? Or in a previous translation, "Hail Mary, full of grace, The Lord is with You"

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¹⁰ In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth,

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to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin's name was Mary.

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And coming to her, he said, "Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you."

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But she was greatly troubled at what was said and pondered what sort of greeting this might be.

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Then the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.

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Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.

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He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, ¹¹ and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father,

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and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."

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But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?" ¹²

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And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

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And behold, Elizabeth, your relative, has also conceived ¹³ a son in her old age, and this is the sixth month for her who was called barren;

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for nothing will be impossible for God."

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Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." Then the angel departed from her.

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During those days Mary set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah,

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where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.

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When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit,

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cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.

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And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord ¹⁴ should come to me?

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For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy.

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Blessed are you who believed ¹⁵ that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled."

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And Mary said: ¹⁶ "My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord;

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my spirit rejoices in God my savior.

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For he has looked upon his handmaid's lowliness; behold, from now on will all ages call me blessed.

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The Mighty One has done great things for me, and holy is his name.

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His mercy is from age to age to those who fear him.

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He has shown might with his arm, dispersed the arrogant of mind and heart.

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He has thrown down the rulers from their thrones but lifted up the lowly.

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The hungry he has filled with good things; the rich he has sent away empty.

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He has helped Israel his servant, remembering his mercy,

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according to his promise to our fathers, to Abraham and to his descendants forever."

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Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home.