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To: pravknight
Try reading Abp. Bugnini's "Reform of the Liturgy." In it, he specifically says penitential prayers were removed if they didn't agree with modern sensibilities.

If you had read the article, you would have noticed that precisely this point is discussed.

Please do not insult the rite of our Churches with a silly adjective like "neo-Lutheran." This criticism doesn't even make sense. Luther had no problem with the doctrine of Hell and he retained the traditional lectionary.

Traditionalist criticisms of the new lectionary, which happens to be one of the best aspects of the reformed liturgy, as 'soft' on the Catholic doctrine of Hell are just incorrect, as Fr. Harrison has shown quite well in this article. I don't see why you bother posting if you aren't interested in engaging substantially with the article/topic, but you obviously can't do that if you don't even bother reading it.

6 posted on 07/04/2006 4:33:07 PM PDT by gbcdoj (vita ipsa qua fruimur brevis est)
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To: gbcdoj

Please do not insult the rite of our Churches with a silly adjective like "neo-Lutheran."

You miss the point. The Novus Ordo simply is Neo-Lutheran, period. Why not insult the Novus Ordo?

It looks practically identical to a Lutheran service. Maybe you have never been to a Lutheran service. The post-Vatican II liturgical consilium read a bit too much Dom Gregory Dix, an Anglican Protestant, whose "The Shape of the Liturgy" had a profound affect on their thinking. The Lutherans did almost as much surgery to the Catholic Mass with their "reforms" as the consilium did with its reforms.

If the shoe fits, wear it. I will refer to the Novus Ordo as the Neo-Lutheran Mass from now on.

People should need a special Indult to use the Pauline rite, but then the Indult should only allow it to be offered in a Lutheran Church.


7 posted on 07/04/2006 6:04:01 PM PDT by pravknight (Liberalism under the guise of magisterial teaching is still heresy)
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To: gbcdoj

Please do not insult the rite of our Churches with a silly adjective like "neo-Lutheran."

You miss the point. The Novus Ordo simply is Neo-Lutheran, period. Why not insult the Novus Ordo?

It looks practically identical to a Lutheran service. Maybe you have never been to a Lutheran service. The post-Vatican II liturgical consilium read a bit too much Dom Gregory Dix, an Anglican Protestant, whose "The Shape of the Liturgy" had a profound affect on their thinking. The Lutherans did almost as much surgery to the Catholic Mass with their "reforms" as the consilium did with its reforms.

If the shoe fits, wear it. I will refer to the Novus Ordo as the Neo-Lutheran Mass from now on.

There isn't a dime's worth of difference between a Lutheran /Anglican liturgy and the Novus Ordo, save for the issue of Holy Orders.


8 posted on 07/04/2006 6:04:46 PM PDT by pravknight (Liberalism under the guise of magisterial teaching is still heresy)
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