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New bishop has feeble following (Episcopalian Church wallows further into apostasy)
Toronto Sun (Canada) ^ | Saturday, June 24, 2006 | MICHAEL COREN

Posted on 06/24/2006 2:23:36 PM PDT by GMMAC

New bishop has feeble following

By MICHAEL COREN

Toronto Sun
Saturday, June 24, 2006


Pass another cup of tea and a cucumber sandwich, please. Better still, make it a sherry because, darling, the Anglicans are in a spin.

Last week the U.S. Episcopalian Church, the American equivalent of Canada's Anglicans or the Church of England, chose Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori as the new leader of its 2.3-million-member denomination.

The lady bishop is an oceanographer by training and thinks that, "the great message of Jesus is to include the excluded."

Golly, who knew? I thought the great message of Jesus might have been what Jesus said was the great message of Jesus. Something along the lines of loving God and our neighbours, but also hating sin and sticking hard and fast to moral laws and godly purity.

Asked if homosexuality was a sin, the good lady replied that she didn't think so.

"I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us."

As for all those references to sexual sin and God's detestation for homosexuality in that Bible thing that some people read, the bish said that it was written "in a different historical context by people asking different questions."

Oh I see. Different time, different people. So turning the other cheek, helping the poor and loving those who are hard to love don't apply any longer because we now ask different questions.

Poor Bishop Schori, she really is rather out of her depth. Which is ironic, in that she's an oceanographer.

Thing is, none of it really matters. Her church boasts 2.3 million members but the vast majority of them are over the age of 60 and the denomination is in a terrifying decline.

The diocese of Newark for example, the centre of liberal Protestant Christianity in America, has lost 46% of its members since 1972. Put simply, it will cease to exist within a generation.

The numbers in Canada for the Anglicans are similarly disastrous. Between 1961 and 2001, the church lost 53% of its members, slimming down from 1.36 million to a mere 642,000.

In the period between 1981 and 1991, Anglican church membership decreased by 13%. Between 1991 and 2001, the numbers dropped by more than 20%. In other words, 13,000 people are leaving every year.

It will virtually disappear within the lifetime of most people reading this column. The same is true of every mainline Protestant denomination, including the Presbyterians and the United Church. Overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly old and, let's be clear here, overwhelmingly liberal.

Theirs is a liberalism that says that the Bible has to be edited rather than followed, that we can ordain homosexuals and that sin is whatever someone like Michael Moore says it is.

In case you believe that all churches are in such trouble, there are 60 million evangelicals in the U.S. -- and the numbers grow each year. There is similar success for such churches in Canada, Europe, Africa and Asia.

Roman Catholicism lost people in the more liberal 1960s and '70s, but the numbers are climbing exponentially because of Pope John Paul and a newly empowered orthodoxy.

The causes of the failure are obvious, but the solutions would require people to put Christianity before fashionable politics. Not going to happen.

Better make that sherry a double.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: anglican; apostasy; apostates; ecusa; episcopalian; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; michaelcoren; schori; waronjesus
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1 posted on 06/24/2006 2:23:42 PM PDT by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

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2 posted on 06/24/2006 2:26:36 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

Smmmmmackdown!


3 posted on 06/24/2006 2:27:38 PM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: GMMAC; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; goldenstategirl; ...

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4 posted on 06/24/2006 2:29:02 PM PDT by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: GMMAC
Also see: The Church of Total Inclusion ~ Les Kinsolving, WorldNetDaily, June 24, 2006
5 posted on 06/24/2006 2:30:31 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

MEGA-churches have open doors for all looking for Christ!


6 posted on 06/24/2006 2:30:39 PM PDT by BikerGold (Woman Love Men With BIG Pickups As We Can Haul Home Bigger Furniture)
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To: sionnsar

Ping.


7 posted on 06/24/2006 2:33:42 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: GMMAC

Simple question. When you think of Episcopalians, do you think of young people or people in their sixties?


8 posted on 06/24/2006 2:33:47 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: GMMAC

Just LOVE the S and M letter! lol


9 posted on 06/24/2006 2:33:54 PM PDT by bonfire
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To: GMMAC

A pox on all these joke denominations. Really? Why would anyone waste their time?


10 posted on 06/24/2006 2:36:08 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: claudiustg
When you think of Episcopalians, do you think of young people or people in their sixties?

Young gays and old straight people.

11 posted on 06/24/2006 2:36:56 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: GMMAC

Her "different gifts" answer would have worked just as well if the question had been about alcoholism.


12 posted on 06/24/2006 2:38:01 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: claudiustg

Sixties???? How about eighties and even nineties.


13 posted on 06/24/2006 2:39:38 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

They've lost their way and it's very, very sad. When a religion becomes all things to all people it ceases to be anything at all. Without rules and a strict belief system it's at best a social club.


14 posted on 06/24/2006 2:41:17 PM PDT by kjo
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To: claudiustg
"When you think of Episcopalians, do you think of young people or people in their sixties?"

Me? Honestly?
The first Episcopalians who popped into my mind were George & Barbara Bush who are obviously even older.
15 posted on 06/24/2006 2:41:36 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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In our town, the only thing keeping the doors open on the Episcopal church is a group of evangelicals that rents part of their building on Sunday mornings and holds contemporary worship services. Once they build their own place -- which probably won't be long -- it's adios!


16 posted on 06/24/2006 2:44:01 PM PDT by jwalburg (Paul Ehrlich, call your office! STAT!)
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To: kjo
When a religion becomes all things to all people it ceases to be anything at all

Exactly! And the same goes for marriage.

17 posted on 06/24/2006 2:45:03 PM PDT by jwalburg (Paul Ehrlich, call your office! STAT!)
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To: AmericaUnited

---Young gays and old straight people.---

You nailed it! Last time I visited my parent's old church that was exactly the situation. The Sunday school was gone! Although it is a ELCA church, a woman Episcopal minister was conducting the service (joint communion). I was there for my mother's memorial service. It was doubly sad because that church had departed as certainly as she had.


18 posted on 06/24/2006 2:47:40 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Different "gifts", but certainly not the same Spirit we're familiar with...


19 posted on 06/24/2006 2:52:35 PM PDT by mikrofon (RC Bump)
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To: claudiustg
I feel sorry for the older people in the still reasonably Christian Anglican & Episcopalian Parishes out in the hinterland.
Many aren't about to leave Churches they've devoted their whole lives to building by gathering in money nickle by dime through bake sales, etc. only to now have it siphoned off to an urban 'head office' where it's being blown - so to speak - on floats in "Pride Day" parades ... and likely much worse.

Beyond all of their theological sins, apostate Church leaders also stand guilty of openly defrauding the elderly.
20 posted on 06/24/2006 3:07:49 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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