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Please, NO IGNORANNT COMMENTS from the title...as Dr. Gagnon is on our side...a conservative scholar, and one of the very best in showing the nonsense of any kind of attempted biblical argument NOT condeming homosexual behavior.

If you ever get a chance to hear him speak or debate, do it! He can cut any liberal churchman to ribbons on the homosexual issue...this guy really knows his bible.

1 posted on 06/20/2006 2:12:52 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
We all deal with temptation of one sort or another. For some there is the attraction to the same sex. This temptation is NOT sin--acting on it IS.

Just like theft is temptation for a klepto. The inclination is not sin, but acting on it is.

2 posted on 06/20/2006 2:15:37 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: sionnsar

Very relevant to Anglicans too. Gagnon is terrific. Please post to the Anglican ping list.


3 posted on 06/20/2006 2:16:46 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

If people who choose the homosexual lifestyle took Scripture seriously, they would fall on their knees, confess their sin, and change their ways by remaining strictly abstainent.


5 posted on 06/20/2006 2:18:49 PM PDT by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge)
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To: AnalogReigns

And apparently these people are doing just that. God can take their "addiction" from them if they will just promise Him they will "die to themselves" so that Christ can live through them. God is good, praise His Holy Name.


7 posted on 06/20/2006 2:22:36 PM PDT by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge)
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To: AnalogReigns

Liberals like to say that homosexuality is a 'natural thing' since some people are born with that tendency. I'd say, some people are born with anti-social behavior tendency, it doesn't mean we can accept what they do if they follow the tendency.


8 posted on 06/20/2006 2:35:02 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: AnalogReigns
"Paul," Gagnon said, "says he no longer lives, but that Christ lives in him. The great reorientation that matters is the reorientation of one's entire life in faith to God, putting to death one's entire orientation and having God live in us."

Actually, that is well said. We reorient our entire nature. It is a complete and total change of character from sin to righteousness. We die so that Christ can live in and through us. Anyone seeking faith as a mere therapy for one problem or another, or as some eternal assurance without present-day change is putting their faith in a false gospel. The change is a complete reorientation for all of us.

That said, I have some issues with the validity of the concept of sexual orientation. I think sinful thoughts and deeds can become habits, but the real orientation problem is a sin orientation. Anyway....Christianity is a total character change for any sinner who accepts it.

12 posted on 06/20/2006 3:47:47 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: AnalogReigns
To take up one's cross is to deny one's self - so much for the way self-fulfillment is defined in the church today. If we seek to gain our life in this world, we will lose it."

This is one of the most needed statements in the Christian world today.

13 posted on 06/20/2006 3:51:43 PM PDT by ladyinred (Liberals are dangerous for America.)
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To: AnalogReigns
Please, NO IGNORANNT COMMENTS from the title

Good early call -- many do post before actually reading the article.

Although "Hero" may a bit over the top, the point is well-made. When you have an abberative personality AND society tells you not only is it OK to induldge yourself but that you should celebrate doing so, it must be difficult.

To follow the Word of God and fight against that tide is impressive indeed and desereving of positive reinforcement and recognition.

15 posted on 06/20/2006 4:02:56 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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To: AnalogReigns

Unfortunately, the PCUSA seems determined to go down the same deceitful road that has led to the destruction of the Episcopal Church.

The PCUSA General Assembly just passed a measure that would allow a "local option" to ordain active homosexuals, despite the fact that the PCUSA constitution expressly prohibits it.

http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-06-20T224406Z_01_N20195923_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-PRESBYTERIANS.xml


17 posted on 06/20/2006 5:30:13 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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