CCing P-Marlowe; colorcountry; restornu
>>Are you trying to say that since soldiers have authority doled out to them through their
>>immediate commanding officer [we all know how the military is known for its sharp
>>adherence to a chain of command] that such an immediate commanding officer is that
>>soldier's "ultimate authority?" I thought the "commander-in-chief"--who in turn
>>answers to God, Himself--one of these would be deemed as the "ultimate" authorities.
>>So why is it any soldier knows where the buck stops, but in your spiritual warfare
>>where we're supposed to be a soldier of Christ (Paul's analogy), you pretend
>>commanders in chief are irrelevant to your role.
God is where the buck stops. We are his creations we answer to him, we always will.
I have said this in posts past on this thread. It amazes me that you don’t get it, but you and your Allies (CC’s words) apparently don’t speak English.
If I make a Lego™ car, and then decide to destroy it, I do not have to ask anyone’s permission. It does not matter if I have a father who can build with Lego’s or if he has a father, only that the car belongs to me, I created it. End of chain of authority.
>>Yet you seem to claim that just because an immediate commanding officer is the only
>>supervisor--the only authority he reports to in this chain of command--that just
>>because he's the only "god" in that young soldier's new universe, that somehow
>>making the claim "Well, he's the only god with which we have to do" gets you off the
>>hook of being under the authority of other commands further up the chain.
See above…
>>Furthermore, it shows extreme shortsightedness that you don't know the ultimate spirit
>>to whom Joseph Smith was reporting to. Somehow you reduce the LDS version of
>>Elohim to be the "ultimate" authority when you know full well he's not. The key
>>question to ask is, "what spirit" (if any) appeared to Joe Smith? Was it an "angel of
>>light" masquerading under another identity? [Gal 1:8-9] And what spirit entity was
>>really behind the scenes?
I do know, you have not been listening. Elohim is the ultimate authority to us; we are his and Christ creations.
Are you trying to be purposefully offensive? I ask because I am not sure.
I'm sorry but you must be confused, I've never called anyone my "Allies."
Everything on this thread is confused and confusing. I'll make it simple: THERE IS BUT ONE GOD...ANYWHERE...ALWAYS. To believe otherwise makes you a pagan and NOT a Christian. You however are free to believe any way you choose to believe. It is guaranteed by our United States Constitution.
Okay, correct this perceived dialogue to reflect how you would truly answer:
Me: Which god is where the buck stops?
You (as I think you would say): The only god with which we have to do. Elohim. Heavenly Father.
Me: So, this god, whom you call Elohim, has all universal authority? No other god in the universe or any other universe or any other spiritual dimension has authority he doesn't have, or this god did not derive any authority from him?
You (as I think you might say): I didn't say that. I don't have to be concerned with that authority. I only have to be concerned with his authority.
Me: But what if other gods or any other higher-up god pulls rank on your god? Does that not militate against your claim that your god has "ultimate" authority if another god can pull rank on him? "Ultimate" authority that is not ultimate is not ultimate. [Wow! Did I really have to say that, or have you just not been getting what I've been trying to say?]
So what you are saying is that Elohim himself is not the ultimate authority over himself? That there is an "Elohim" in authority above him and another "Elohim" in authority above him....(ad infinitum)????
Sorry. Doesn't compute in an absolute way. Let's say you take that lego, and you put it in a cannon alongside ammunition, and you decide that your means of "destroying" the lego house is to fire it into a real house that doesn't belong to you (beyond your authority). It doesn't matter that you created the legohouse. It doesn't give you the authority to do anything you want with it. You are thereby limited, as your authority is. Someone who has Kolobian authority, for example, doesn't necessarily have Jupiterian authority, or Marsian authority.
So, if your immediate gods are limited in their authority either by planetary boundaries, galaxy boundaries, universal boundaries, or some other dimensional boundaries, then they are limited. They are not a totally free, sovereign god. There are limitations to their authority, for there was once upon a time when they had no authority. They were totally reliant upon other another god or gods for deriving it.