Skip to comments.Pope Cardinals discuss lifting SSPX excommunication and free use of Latin missal
Posted on 03/23/2006 10:47:18 AM PST by NYer
As the Pope met today with members of the College of Cardinals, who are in Rome for tomorrows Consistory where 15 new cardinals will be added to their ranks, the subjects of the schismatic Saint Pius X Society as well as the use of the Latin missal and retirement age for bishops largely held the floor.
According to CNAs sources in the Vatican one of todays main topics of conversation surrounded the possibility of lifting the excommunication on Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the four bishops ordained by him before his death. Their group, the Saint Puis X Society broke away from the Church following the Second Vatican Council.
In addition, the Pope and the Cardinals discussed whether or not they may declare a full amnesty for the free use of Pope V's Latin missal; and how to do so without betraying the spirit of the Vatican II Council.
The second major topic of conversation surrounded the retirement age for bishops.
Given that life expectancy and quality of life have improved since the original age of 75 was put in place, some cardinals have suggested the possibility of postponing the legal age of retirement to 80.
150 of the 193-member College of Cardinals were in attendance today for a day of prayer and reflection called for by Pope Benedict ahead of the Ordinary Public Consistory--including the 15 which will be incorporated tomorrow. The Vatican said that todays meetings followed the general format of discussions used prior to last years papal conclave.
"Pope Puis"? "Pope V's missal"? What on earth is going on with these people that they don't proof their work before they post it? It really does damage to their credibility.
CNA and CNS are two different sources.
All they need to do is copy and paste their articles to MS Word. Spell Check will take it from there.
"Saint Puis X Society"
How awful would it be to allow a Latin missal in the Latin Church?
and how to do so without betraying the spirit of the Vatican II Council.
Spirit of the Vatican II Council? Excuse me? So much evil has been done in the name of the "spirit of the Vatican II". How about not betraying the ACTUAL Vatican II Council? Talking about the "spirit of the Vatican II" will push the SSPX further away.
CARDINAL ARINZE: "So there are problems. However some of the problems were not caused by Vatican II, but they were caused by children of the Church after Vatican II. Some of them talking of Vatican II push in their own agenda. We have to watch that. People pushing their own agenda justifying it as the "spirit of Vatican II".
"spirit of Vatican II"
Two kinds of spirit; Holy, and the other one.
Indeed! Hard to be surprised by such a suggestion, given the large number of cardinals who are so close to the "out to pasture" age right now.
Yeah, I'll bet the cardinals suggesting it are at or near 75.
Does the SSPX recognize both kinds when it comes to Vatican II?
Feb 2006 through Feb 2007: Italy Ukraine France Spain US Uganda Chile Mexico Italy (9)
Feb 2007 through Feb 2008: Spain Hungary Poland India US Italy Germany (7)
Feb 2008 through Feb 2009: Italy Japan Thailand (3)
Feb 2009 through Feb 2010: Italy Italy Columbia Poland Canada (5)
Feb 2010 through Feb 2011 Japan US New Zealand Spain US France Italy Syria Italy Cameroon Latvia Congo France Philippines Italy (15)
I don't know the conclusions of SSPX. I have only my own suspicions.
interesting, thanks for the ping.
I don't know for sure who are "bad" cardinals, but I've heard these men griped about by conservatives, or stating things which appear to gripe about conservatives, or praised as the Great Multicultural Hope* by liberals. I do not attest that any of these deserve their bad reoutations, or that what I've heard as their reputations is indicative of their greater reputation:
(*I figured liberals would consider the Great White Hope to be racist. :^D)
Oh, and don't be discouraged by this list. Note that half of these guys are gone in 5 years! And these guys have to retire from being bishops about 5 years earlier:
Desmond Connell, Ireland, retires tomorrow.
Jean-Marie Lustiger, France, 9/17/06
William Wakefield Baum, US, 11/21/06
Jorge Medina Estevez, Chile, 12/26/06
Adolfo Suarez Rivera, Mexico, 1/9/07
Carlo Sodano, Italy, Secretary of State, 11/23/07
Friedrich Wetter, Germany, 2/28/08
Giacomo Biffi, Italy, 6/13/08. Actually the Cardinal of Baloney!
Dario Hoyos, Italy, Prefect of Clergy, 7/4/09.
Theodore McCarrick, US, 7/7/10
William Keeler, US, 3/4/11
Bernard Law, PROM, 11/4/11
Edward Egan, PRONY*, 4/2/12
Renato Martino, Italy, 11/23/12
Walter Kasper, Germany, 3/5/13
Godfreed Daneels, Belgium, 6/4/13
Giovanni Re, Italy, Prefect of Bishops, 1/30/14
Claudio Hummes, Brazil, 8/8/14
Roger Mahony, PROCa* 2/27/16
Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga, Honduras, 12/29/22
Sean O'Malley, PROM*, 6/29/24
*PROM=Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, a former territory of the USA.
I don't know why everyone here is assuming that Cardinals would be affected by a change in the retirement age. While cardinals have to submit their resignations at 75, like other bishops, the pope has generally let them stay on in their sees well past that, usually till they are 80 or so. Unless there is a health problem.
In any case, the 1962 Missal is NOT the St. Pius V Missal. It is a revision of the Roman Missal far more radical than that envisioned by the Tridentine fathers.
Especially when it comes to the Kalendar, the propers of the Mass and its continuation of Pius XII's demolition of the rites of Holy Week.
>> I don't know why everyone here is assuming that Cardinals would be affected by a change in the retirement age. <<
I'm not. I certainly didn't mean to imply that I was.
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