[Cronos]

God either predestined some from before the foundation of the world to everlasting salvation through no ability of their own but through His good pleasure alone, or He didn't.

Yup -- he condemned some folks to sin and then turns around after they've sinned (which he pre-destined them to do) and tells them -- you sinned, even though I planned that you would sin and that you have no choice in the matter -- since I planned it -- anyway, so, you sinned and you're going to heck.

A really loving God..... For God so loved the world that He sent His only sone to save it (note not to save a portion of it, but to save all)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." -- Philippians 2:13

"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. " -- John 17:9

[fortheDeclaration]

God either predestined some from before the foundation of the world to everlasting salvation through no ability of their own but through His good pleasure alone, or He didn't. Yup -- he condemned some folks to sin and then turns around after they've sinned (which he pre-destined them to do) and tells them -- you sinned, even though I planned that you would sin and that you have no choice in the matter -- since I planned it -- anyway, so, you sinned and you're going to heck.

The fact is that the predestination is not even dealing with salvation but with eternal security, that the believer, being seen in Christ, IS predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ (ultimate glorification).

Now the reason for this is Predestination is a preforeseen faith, which puts the believer into Christ(Eph.1:4).

This is all New Testament doctrine, not occuring in the Old Testament.

The Calvinists make Sovereignity the dominate attribute of God, ignoring all others (love, wisdom etc), when in fact, God's sovereignity is not even an attribute, but the result of His other attributes.

The dominate attributes of God's essence is Holiness which cannot be compromised, and Love, which motivates everything God does, including judgement on sin.