Posted on 01/24/2006 7:16:00 PM PST by buckeyesrule
CALLER: I'd like to know what your position is on gay marriage.
R.H. SCHULLER: I am addicted to excellence, totally committed to excellence. That's where I'm coming from. It's a different position on this and any time there's a controversy, choose the interpretation that is more excellent.
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Schuller claims to be associated with the Reformed Church (Dutch, I think.)
He's one that proves your affiliation doesn't necessarily mean you're accurately teaching it.
One would think that a practicing homosexual would be flaunting behavior that is clearly not Christian and would, therefore, be ineligible for membership and ineligible for being one of the church's "representatives."
That would be the same for someone flaunting any biblically condemned behavior .
One would think that a practicing homosexual would be flaunting behavior that is clearly not Christian and would, therefore, be ineligible for membership and ineligible for being one of the church's "representatives."
That would be the same for someone flaunting any biblically condemned behavior .
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Are you proud of your covetousness? Do you celbrate your covetousness? Do you flaunt your covetousness? Do you demand to be honored for your comittment to covetousness?
Or do you repent of it and do all in your power to turn from it?
The apostle Paul clarifies that in 2 Co, but it is also fairly standard to consider behavior the indicator of alignment.
However, if you are willing to acknowledge that we're talking about a person who does not practice homosexuality, whohas renounced it as sin, and who considers it incompatible with Christian teaching, then I will reconsider whether a "homosexual" should be a representative of a church.
Amen. I wonder how many people would attend a church that welcomed people who flauntingly stole or who made no apology for sleeping around with other people's spouses.
It's interesting that schools promote diversity in every club except "gay" clubs where they advocate tolerance. The church is imitating that behavior.
OTOH, if you were an openly gay person and insisted that you should have communion with everyone else, it would be quite proper for Bill to ask you to leave. You are saying you are a Christian but you are not exhibiting a Christian attitude. It is a way the church was meant to keep itself pure. Unfortunately many look at it as a social club and much of this concept is gone except in a handful of churches. Paul had no problem kicking several people out of the church for overt sin.
The Apostle Paul tells former homosexuals that they "had been."
It's behavior that makes one anything.
The logic of this is seen by the Center for Disease Control that uses my definition for research and not yours.
They are interested in men who have sex with men or with women who have sex with women.
Yup. He's clearly an Arminian.
. This doctrine of Predestination comprises within it neither the whole nor any part of the Gospel. For, according to the tenor of the discourses delivered by John and Christ, as they are described to us by the Evangelist, and according to the doctrine of the Apostles and Christ after his ascension, the Gospel consists partly of an injunction to repent and believe, and partly of a promise to bestow forgiveness of sins, the grace of the Spirit, and life eternal. But this Predestination belongs neither to the injunction to repent and believe, nor to the annexed promise. Nay, this doctrine does not even teach what kind of men in general God has predestinated, which is properly the doctrine of the Gospel; but it embraces within itself a certain mystery, which is known only to God, who is the Predestinater, and in which mystery are comprehended what particular persons and how many he has decreed to save and to condemn. From these premises I draw a further conclusion, that this doctrine of Predestination is not necessary to salvation, either as an object of knowledge, belief, hope, or performance. A Confession to this effect has been made by a certain learned man, in the theses which he has proposed for discussion on this subject, in the following words: "Wherefore the gospel cannot be simply termed the book or the revelation of Predestination, but only in a relative sense. Because it does not absolutely denote either the matter of the number or the form; that is, it neither declares how many persons in particular, nor (with a few exceptions,) who they are, but only the description of them in general, whom God has predestinated."
Schuller does not preach the lostness, repentance, forgiveness, salvation.... Therefore, he is no Arminian.
I somewhat doubt your local Christian assembly has two or three telepaths on hand to witness to the fact that you are coveting, any more than they could tell whether you were privately lusting over your neighbor's wife. Likewise, in your silly scenario, your neighbor would have no way of proving that you had simply coveted his new toy without said telepaths.
Mind you, God, who sees your mind quite well, would be perfectly justified in casting you out of what He considers to be His Church for the sin of covetousness or lust if you did not repent. But we poor mortals must judge on actions, not on what we imagine to be in another's heart.
Likewise, if a person struggles with the temptation to commit homosexual acts--or heck, take that off the table and just say the temptation to commit adultery--that is between him and God because no human being can say for certain just what goes on in another human being's head. At best we can make educated guesses that are often wrong.
But the instant that person actually commits the act of adultery and it becomes known in a provable manner, then the church leadership is required by Scripture to step in and administer the appropriate discipline, up to and including expulsion from the congregation. Likewise the person who is commiting homosexual acts.
The man is unsaved from what I can discern, he is loved by all the other unsaved that want heaven here on earth and to prosper with possibility thinking
He is about as reformed as my dog.
That knocks him out of the Protestant camp all together.
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