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To: Agrarian
if one reads some of the earlier Western grammars of LXX Greek, one sees these scholars -- grounded in what they consider to be "proper" classical Greek

No, but I can point out that Protestants read their own deeper meanings into this and other passages in the Bible. The difference, again, is that Protestants do so while completely ignoring or approaching patristic writings with extreme skepticism -- picking a few things and rejecting most of the rest. While we Orthodox use our brains and the guidance of the Holy Spirit

You have no more direct evidence from Scripture that it wasn't daily than we have clear evidence that it was -- and you perhaps have less.

St. Paul says "as oft as ye" eat and drink the Body and Blood... so there I don't see a command for all to receive daily anywhere in the Scriptures, personally.

"that if one considers all churches and monasteries worldwide, many Orthodox priests are serving the Divine Liturgy and the Body and Blood of Christ are being partaken of by many -- not only daily, but probably around the clock..

You'd better write those Reformed folks who put out "Daily Bread," then, and tell them that they need to stop their presumption


8,362 posted on 06/10/2006 5:44:28 PM PDT by HarleyD ("Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures" Luke 24:45)
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To: HarleyD

I'm a little confused. All along, I have been basically agreeing with you on what the primary meaning of "epiousios" seems to have been. I don't see how you could make reference to "as clear as you would like to indicate," when my precise point was that this unique word was unknown in classical or LXX Greek, was probably newly coined for the NT, and thus would seem to be anything but simple and clear.

Well, I think we've probably reached the end of the useful line on this one. You may be one of those rare Protestants who never sees deeper or secondary meanings in Scriptures -- I certainly wasn't saying what meanings you did or didn't see in that line, I was simply stating that I've not found that Protestants are any less likely to see secondary, spiritual, or allegorical meanings in Scriptural texts than are Catholics or Orthodox. As to daily communion, I think I was pretty clear -- the New Testament church in Jerusalem seems to have gathered daily to break bread, including, we would assume, having communion. There is no hard evidence for this, but it is the tradition we have. On the other hand, we Orthodox don't see a command for all Christians to commune daily anywhere in Scripture -- but we do still see it as an ideal, if we had the privilege of living in an ideal world.

I'll otherwise leave the discussion with your final comments. I will say, though, that while the mission statement may not be explicitly Reformed, nor may its current theology be adequately pure from a Reformed perspective these days, Daily Bread and RBC ministries were founded by M.R. De Haan in Grand Rapids, MI -- Dutch Reformed, in the U.S. capital of Dutch Reformedness. It is a staple of devotional life in the main branches of the Dutch Reformed tradition here in the U.S.


8,365 posted on 06/10/2006 6:22:30 PM PDT by Agrarian
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