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To: Forest Keeper; jo kus
So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ

It is clear here that St.Paul was unaware of the command Jesus gave the Apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost [Mat 28:19].

It is also evident from St.Luke's account of the Acts of the Apostles that St.Paul believed he was ordained to take the gospel (his gospel) to the Gentiles, yet it is clear that Jesus, Whom St.Paul did not know when He was on earth, gave the commandment to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations" [Mat 28:19]

Yet, reading St.Luke's account, who was following St.Paul, it seems that the Apostles were oblivious to this, as it fell upon St.Paul to evangelize the Gentiles.

Again, St.Paul's Epistles were written before the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, which means that despite all the claims to the contrary, there was little communication between St.Paul and the Apostles. Otherwise, they would have told him of the Lord's commandment to baptize in the name of the Holy Trinity and not in the name of Jesus Christ.

It is even more curious that the Gospels, being written after St.Paul's Epistles, make no reference to that, and in fact teach that Jesus specifically instructed St.Peter not to evangelize the Gentiles, but the 12 tribes of Israel, whom He had to have known would reject His teachings!

The message of St.Matthew is clear: the gospels and the judgment were understood to be for the 12 tribes of Israel and not all the nations of the world! [Mat 19:28]

It is also somewhat curious that St.Peter, who would have been aware of the Lord's commandment to baptize in the name of the Holy Trinity would use St.Paul's "formula" [Act 2:38]

Or was the Trinitarian baptismal formula inserted into the 4th century copies we have? Judging from the rest of the NT, none was aware of that single commandment reported only by St.Matthew.

And were references to "all nations" also a "politically correct" insertion to the same time at a later date, when the Gospels otherwise seem to refer to only the 12 tribes of Israel being saved and judged?

7,767 posted on 06/05/2006 6:46:29 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; jo kus
[On Acts 10:44-48] It is clear here that St.Paul was unaware of the command Jesus gave the Apostles to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost [Mat 28:19].

It was PETER who ordered that they be Baptized in the name of Christ, NOT Paul, so I guess it was Peter who wasn't paying attention to Christ's commands.

It is also evident from St.Luke's account of the Acts of the Apostles that St.Paul believed he was ordained to take the gospel (his gospel) to the Gentiles, yet it is clear that Jesus, Whom St.Paul did not know when He was on earth, gave the commandment to "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations" [Mat 28:19]

By this standard, then none of the Apostles heard Matt. 28:19 because none of them made disciples of All nations. No one man could. Paul understood his role and fulfilled it, just as the others did.

The message of St.Matthew is clear: the gospels and the judgment were understood to be for the 12 tribes of Israel and not all the nations of the world! [Mat 19:28]

If you believe this, then why bother being a Christian. You are doomed, unless you give enough power to men to override the intent of God, and have Gentiles be included also.

Or was the Trinitarian baptismal formula inserted into the 4th century copies we have? Judging from the rest of the NT, none was aware of that single commandment reported only by St.Matthew.

I don't see this as being a big deal. You can't Baptize in the name of Christ and leave out the Father and Spirit. They are one essence.

And were references to "all nations" also a "politically correct" insertion to the same time at a later date, when the Gospels otherwise seem to refer to only the 12 tribes of Israel being saved and judged?

I don't know anything about any insertions, but Jesus made reference to saving the Gentiles a few times. Here are two:

John 10:16 : I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Matt. 8:10-12 : 10 When Jesus heard this, he was astonished and said to those following him, "I tell you the truth, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

7,968 posted on 06/07/2006 1:03:40 AM PDT by Forest Keeper
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