[HarleyD]

Our friend jokus should realize by now the difference between OSAS and Perseverance of the Saints (POTS). OSAS is a rather befuddled version of POTS based upon many of POTS scripture. I'm not quite sure where or why OSAS started except it might have been caused by some Arminians who didn't wish to think they could lose their salvation and didn't want to admit the Council of Dordt was correct. I always held a view of OSAS until I read about the TULIP. Then I said POTS makes perfect sense.

You are a patient man to go through all those verses. More than two verses posted here and my eyes start to glaze over.

[jo kus]

Our friend jokus should realize by now the difference between OSAS and Perseverance of the Saints (POTS).

Sorry, when a person declares themselves one of the saints, I see it as the exact same thing as OSAS. Once you claim you are of the elect, you believe you cannot fail - thus, the result is the same as OSAS. Perhaps you can explain the difference?

Regards

[fortheDeclaration]

I always held a view of OSAS until I read about the TULIP. Then I said POTS makes perfect sense.

No, because it is not the believer persevering, but the believer being preserved by God.(Eph.4:30)

But I am glad to note that there is a difference, since many Baptists believe the two are the same, which they are not.

The question is, can a believer leave God to the point that he never returns in time, and God takes him home.

I think that is what the sin unto death is for (1Jn.5:16)