Yes, I fully agree. And this, of course, then makes us "Mary-haters". :) I'm not quite sure why it has to be an either-or, but I'm told that it does. I think Mary was a wonderful person and was truly blessed. Her faith is a role model to us. AND, she was a human being, a mother of several children who she honorably raised, she was a sinner, and needed a Savior like everyone else. (But I should probably stop my hate-speech here. :)