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To: kosta50
If all we do is what God "ordained" us to do, then we bear no fault for anything we do. Whether we sin or not is God's will, and not ours, so no matter what we do is part of God's plan, and ours is simply to carry out the task He assigned us to do.

I would tend to agree that we're never going to understand each other on this so all I can do is restate my position that God's will is what happens because He is an omnipotent and sovereign God. Apparently contrary to your position, man does not have the power to overcome God's will through his choices. The wages of sin is death, so man is responsible for his own sin. God cannot be blamed for man's sin, no matter how much you say I think so. Under my view, God retains control, which is one area in which we differ.

4,521 posted on 04/10/2006 4:30:01 PM PDT by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
Under my view, God retains control, which is one area in which we differ

No Sir. God retains control, but we still have freedom of will. Jo kus tried, unsuccessfully I see, to point out to you that God transcends time and that He knows all the decisions we make, good and evil, past, present and future, of all the people in the world, who lived, live and will live, as happening all at once and integrates them into His plan -- if that doesn't speak volumes of His omnipotence I don't know what does!

4,523 posted on 04/10/2006 4:45:14 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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