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To: jo kus
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" Luke 11:13

From what I understand on your concept of God, He will refuse this to anyone not on His "list". God, from what I can tell, will NOT give gifts to certain people, unlike the evil man who does?????

You're talking about salvation versus someone feeding his kids. I think it's a completely different thing. I have said, and do maintain that God does pass over those of the non-elect and leaves them to choose their eternal destination based on their natures. Of course God has given certain gifts to the evil, who have then misused them. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing here.

This is why your view of God is very strange and foreign to me. It doesn't match with Scriptures.

Well, my view certainly doesn't match with the Roman Catholic Church's interpretation of scripture. Somehow, I can live with that. :)

4,254 posted on 03/31/2006 4:25:24 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper
You're talking about salvation versus someone feeding his kids. I think it's a completely different thing.

Here is the context. I am not talking about feeding someone...

"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those that ask him?" Luke 11:11-13

It's about asking God for the Spirit to help us do the good that He commands of us. These are verses about being confident in prayer - that God will hear us. But according to you, God first has a list that He checks before He sends the Spirit? I still don't understand this God that you are talking about.

I have said, and do maintain that God does pass over those of the non-elect and leaves them to choose their eternal destination based on their natures. Of course God has given certain gifts to the evil, who have then misused them. I just don't think we are talking about the same thing here.

What is God speaking of? What gifts does He give and why to "evil" people? And WHY WOULDN'T HE give greater than this - gifts enough to save - to these people? If God is just, He certainly WOULD give EVERYONE an opportunity to turn to Him. But as the Psalmster says, "the wicked never turn to Him" WE have the ability to refuse God's gifts. Do you agree with Scripture or not?

Regards

4,267 posted on 03/31/2006 8:32:48 PM PST by jo kus (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore CHOOSE life - Deut 30:19)
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