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To: HarleyD; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; AlbionGirl; annalex; jo kus
While ordaining and creating may seem close to us, apparently it isn't to God.

You are making a subtle distinction between creation and ordination that is difficult to perceive. It would be easier to count the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin. Indeed, the word apparently does not carry the implication of logical certainty.

It is a mystery

This is the first time I have heard you use the word mystery. Yes, using rational categories to describe God's relation to and action in the world always runs into contradictions at some point. Perhaps you can begin to get an inkling of why the Eastern church never developed a scholastic theology of its own. The Eastern church always valued both kataphatic and apophatic theology. They are both necessary, but with the emphasis probably placed on the latter in the East.

3,573 posted on 03/14/2006 6:42:28 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776; HarleyD
The Eastern church always valued both kataphatic and apophatic theology. They are both necessary, but with the emphasis probably placed on the latter in the East

Your understanding of Eastern mindest is amazing stripes1776. You are absolutely right about the emphasis being placed on the apophatic knowledge and this phronema being the reason +Gregory Palamas sucessufully proved that true knowledge of God is not in the scholastic realm.

3,575 posted on 03/14/2006 6:51:15 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: stripes1776; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; AlbionGirl; annalex; jo kus
You are making a subtle distinction between creation and ordination that is difficult to perceive....This is the first time I have heard you use the word mystery.

Of course it is difficult to preceive. You will not get any argument from me on this. However, this is the ONLY inescapable conclusion that one can draw. I will also add that as logically as this is, in all my 30+ years as a Christian NO ONE ever brought this to my attention. I puzzled all these years over this but there is ONLY ONE solution to this puzzle; the one solution that people do not wish to hear; God ordains the events of man-all men. The only thing I can say is that God's way are not our ways.

This is, BTW, the same identical trait that Augustine saw in his prayer, "Command what you will and give what you command." God commands something to be done and then we must pray that God gives it to us.

All of this seems strange to me and is a mystery. But, if one is honest, this is precisely how God works and operates. I cannot explain it. I simply know this to be since it is entirely consistent with scripture. The many verses that I bring up that people rally against reflect this very nature of God.

3,587 posted on 03/15/2006 1:49:54 AM PST by HarleyD ("A man's steps are from the Lord, How then can man understand his way?" Prov 20:24 (HNV))
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