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To: Forest Keeper; Agrarian
you seem to be denying the friendship between Jesus and His disciples

Intimate details about one's parents are not a necessary prerequisite of friendship. I, incidentally, never shared any such with my roommates, and I have kept friendship with some of them to this day. Remember the "honor thy mother" part in the scripture?

there is no contradiction if you simply interpret away anything in scripture that disagrees with your tradition

It is you who takes the scripture that does not say anything about Mary and Joseph following the birth of Christ, and insists on the least favorable to Mary interpretation, which goes against the historical and linguistic evidence. All I do is explain what "eos" means and how "adelphos" is used in the scripture. Was Lot Abraham's brother?

John lived the longest

Tradition says that John was the youngest and James the oldest. The latter is consistent with James often referred to as one of the elders and acting as bishop of Jerusalem. For more detail please ask Agrarian, who brought it up. The significance of the taking Mary to the care of John is in that if there were other direct sons of hers that would be an insult to them, -- not merely a break with the Jewish tradition.

if James was an older brother, why would that make him unfit for the role?

If James was Mary's stepson from a previous marriage of Joseph, and therefore older, then his age, close to Mary's, would not make him a good caregiver because he might become frail together or even before Mary. On the identity of James, however, the Catohlic and the Orthodox traditions differ somewhat. We beleive that James was the son of Cleopas and the "other Mary", therefore, a cousing of Christ rather than a step brother.

The Brethren of the Lord
St. James the Less

2,979 posted on 02/24/2006 10:01:10 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
FK: "...you seem to be denying the friendship between Jesus and His disciples."

Intimate details about one's parents are not a necessary prerequisite of friendship. I, incidentally, never shared any such with my roommates, and I have kept friendship with some of them to this day. Remember the "honor thy mother" part in the scripture?

I have never been talking about sex talk here! :) If you are at the water cooler at work and someone asks you if you have any brothers or sisters, do you really feel you are betraying your parents sex lives if you answer?

It is you who takes the scripture that does not say anything about Mary and Joseph following the birth of Christ, and insists on the least favorable to Mary interpretation, ... Was Lot Abraham's brother?

Believe me, I have nothing against Mary. I love Mary. :) She must have been extremely special to be the one chosen. What I do have is a ton of scripture that appears to apply to all humans. My view is that Mary was 100% human and not divine. I thought you agreed with that. If there were exceptions in the Bible for Mary to all those verses, or even just some exceptions that would make the rule apparent, then I would be with you. But, there are none, absolutely none. So, what can I conclude from my POV?

No, Lot was not Abraham's biological brother, but I have already said that I know the Bible sometimes uses the term as you do. I could just as easily say: "was Andrew the biological brother of Peter"? Or, was everyone is those days an only child? :)

If James was Mary's stepson from a previous marriage of Joseph, and therefore older, then his age, close to Mary's, would not make him a good caregiver because he might become frail together or even before Mary.

OK, at least for argument's sake, I can see that. Thanks much for the links.

3,037 posted on 02/26/2006 9:11:59 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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