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To: Dewy; annalex

Dewy, what you've posted is all fine and good, but you've still not told me what you believe salvation is and why you believe something about salvation which the men who discerbed what was appropriate to be in the bible never saw, wrote about or believed.

I'm not trying to play head games with you, Dewy. Its simply that I have absolutely no understanding of why anyone would believe in a once saved always saved theology and I would like to at least see where there is any basis for this belief beyond the personal opinion of a self described "saved" person.


2,221 posted on 02/01/2006 6:55:49 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Salvation: Is a once for all thing that happens when one comes to true faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man. Salvation includes regeneration, justification, sanctification.

Redemption (to buy back) Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Regeneration: (change of mind) Jesus tells Nicodemus in John chapter 3 at v.3 "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." A spiritual state or work done by the Holy Spirit.

Justification: As regards its nature, it is the judicial act of God, by which he pardons all the sins of those who believe in Christ

Romans 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; Romans 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Romans 5:6 ¶ For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Romans 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Sanctification: Involves more than a mere moral reformation of character, brought about by the power of the truth: it is the work of the Holy Spirit bringing the whole nature more and more under the influences of the new gracious principles implanted in the soul in regeneration. In other words, sanctification is the carrying on to perfection the work begun in regeneration, and it extends to the whole man.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Now, I have tried to show you what and why I believe.

Question is do you believe? I'll be frank friend if you are depending on the works of others, the church, the pope or anything other than Christ. You'll spend eternity in hell.
What does this verse say??

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

I didn't see Mary, Apostles, Popes, Church, works, or anything other than Christ.

We were warned:

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Matt 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Have a nice life! (I'm through)
2,228 posted on 02/02/2006 3:39:55 AM PST by Dewy (1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;)
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