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The Rev. Chloe Breyer is an Episcopal priest and mother of two. She works at St. Mary's Manhattanville in West Harlem, N.Y., and is the author of The Close: A Young Women's First Year at Seminary.

Chloe Breyer is the daughter of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.

1 posted on 12/26/2005 4:14:16 PM PST by hiho hiho
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Why is church authority so intent upon Mary's virginity as a historical fact?

Hmmm. Believing the scriptures, perhaps?
2 posted on 12/26/2005 4:21:41 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: hiho hiho
Yeah, and why was God so interested in Jews anyway......hey, maybe they weren't really the chosen people...... >sarcasm
3 posted on 12/26/2005 4:26:51 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: hiho hiho

She probably believes she's just too, too original, but Arius beat her to it by about 1800 years. Snoooooze ...


4 posted on 12/26/2005 4:28:37 PM PST by Tax-chick (A child is born in Bethlehem, Alleluia!)
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8 posted on 12/26/2005 4:37:49 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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Why is church authority so intent upon Mary's virginity as a historical fact?

Perhaps it is because it is the truth, and it because Jewish prophecy required the virgin birth as a sign of the true Messiah?

Would Jesus be any less God's son if he had an earthly father?

Yes, he would not have been God's son as only the Word could be (please see John 1:1-8). He would not have had the ability to offer the Perfect Sacrifice as the Perfect Priest for the salvation of mankind. He would have been a liar. But incompetent teaching authority might suggest otherwise as this "priest" has done and as her church might do.

"An Episcopal priest" is a sign of the error of the ECUSA in particular and the EC in general. Add to that the ordination of public, active homosexual(s) as bishop(s), and one can see heresy in action.

9 posted on 12/26/2005 4:38:21 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: hiho hiho
Can a loyal Christian believe that Christ was not born of a biological virgin?
Perhaps it's worth posing a different question:
Why is church authority so intent upon Mary's virginity as a historical fact?

This woman is totally lost.

She is unfamiliar with the Holy Word of G-d.

She is on the wide way to destruction.

I pray that one day soon the L-rd will invite her
to learn of and accept Y'shua as L-rd and Savior

b'shem Y'shua

12 posted on 12/26/2005 4:44:10 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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Man eventually figured out how to create virgin births through IVF. So of what difficulty is it for YHVH if Joseph had a son before the marriage was consummated. The elderly Sarah could have potentially saved herself a hassle if she had believed the Word straight away (like Mary), instead of laughing.


15 posted on 12/26/2005 4:52:27 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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Chloe Breyer is the daughter of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.

I saw the name and recognized it at once. I couldn't bring myself to read the whole article. How far into the piece did she tell us how much God(dess) loves the holy sacrament of abortion?

16 posted on 12/26/2005 4:55:02 PM PST by madprof98
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[26]

In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth,

[27] to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
[28] And he came to her and said, "Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!"
[29] But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.
[30] And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.
[31] And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus.
[32] He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High;
and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,
[33] and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever;
and of his kingdom there will be no end."
[34] And Mary said to the angel, "How shall this be, since I have no husband?"
[35] And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you,
and the power of the Most High will overshadow you;
therefore the child to be born will be called holy,
the Son of God.
[36]

And behold, your kinswoman Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.

[37] For with God nothing will be impossible."
[38] And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
[39]

In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a city of Judah,

[40] and she entered the house of Zechari'ah and greeted Elizabeth.
[41] And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit
[42] and she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
[43] And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
[44] For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy.
[45] And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord."

Luke 1: 26-45

Why should I believe the speculation of some 21st century person playing with heresy instead of Luke?


23 posted on 12/26/2005 5:53:14 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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Chloe Breyer is the daughter of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.

I thought Breyer was Jewish?

24 posted on 12/26/2005 5:56:36 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism cannot survive in a free and open society.)
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The Rev. Chloe Breyer is an Episcopal priest and mother of two. She works at St. Mary's Manhattanville in West Harlem, N.Y., and is the author of The Close: A Young Women's First Year at Seminary.
Chloe Breyer is the daughter of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer.

Oh cripes ... the father of this whack-job heretic is on the Supreme Court? Well ... I hope he does a better job of interpreting the Constitution than he did raising a 'God-fearing', Bible-believing daughter ... but somehow I think they both believe in 'living', maleable, historical documents - that are open-season for their interpretations...
Go Alito!
(and why doesn't the Episcopalian church just turn in their 'Christian' card and call it a day?)

28 posted on 12/26/2005 6:07:55 PM PST by El Cid
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Heretical Episcopalian priestess ping.
36 posted on 12/26/2005 6:34:15 PM PST by PAR35
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Can a loyal Christian believe that Christ was not born of a biological virgin?

No.

Of course, if one follows the tenets of another celebrated theologian most noted for the incisive question "Yea, hath God said...."

38 posted on 12/26/2005 6:49:47 PM PST by papertyger
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There is a rather lengthy discussion of this article here:

http://titusonenine.classicalanglican.net/?p=10535


40 posted on 12/26/2005 7:11:27 PM PST by hiho hiho
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The central message of the Gospel is that God raised up and redeemed his servant from death by crucifixion—the Roman style of execution reserved for the lowest of the low.

Well, that certainly is an ingenious interpretation. I always thought that the central message of the Gospel was that God came to earth, took upon himself the sins of the world, suffered death on the cross, and rose again the third day.

43 posted on 12/26/2005 7:28:54 PM PST by Logophile
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Would Jesus be any less God's son if he had an earthly father?

The concept of Jesus being born without sin, without the stain of the descendants of Adam (Cain), is fundamental to His purity as the Son of God.

Would the idea of an earthly father not be the most damaging idea to Christianity?

Only if someone found the body.

46 posted on 12/26/2005 8:00:04 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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A graduate of seminary? This is why I never went. A complete waste of money.

This merger of liberation and feminist theology is what happens when a "person with an agenda" moves from hippie drum circles to a seminary that rather than preach the Faith once Delivered reinforces that agenda.


51 posted on 12/27/2005 4:21:16 AM PST by bobjam
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At Christmas, Christians celebrate the birth of God's only son. Some believers, however, wonder if Jesus Christ is God's son only.

This is what happens when the general public loses its cultural moorings. Common knowledge about the meaning of the birth of christ, the foretelling of his coming for a thousand years and the prehistory of the middle east (there was no islam back then) is gone with the wind.

Universities don't teach the facts - only politically correct history that has been sanitized and homogenized by the secular humanists.

The coming of christ was foretold by jewish prophets and other wise men for a thousand years. Ancient prehistory of the culture and religions of the middle east shows the hand of God in everysphere of human activity. The fight to secure the middle easat for Yahweh, the ethnic cleansing of the followers of Baal and other Gods and other prehistoric topics are now only considered to be a childs mythology. The archaeological record is being ignored and reburied. The facts of the middle eastern prehistory are ignored by many and misinterpreted by those who would erase miracle of the birth of christ.

The ECUSA has defaulted to the common secular culture to provide the substrate for its message and cultural moorings. The ECUSA belongs to Caesar and is a part of the body of christ that needs to be amputated before the rot spreads any further.

54 posted on 12/27/2005 6:02:11 AM PST by x_plus_one
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Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, I see.


56 posted on 12/27/2005 6:11:58 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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What if Mary wasn't a vigin?

Then I expect you would be telling the truth....but you got to admit...makes for a great story that has had incredibly long legs!!

57 posted on 12/27/2005 6:15:00 AM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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