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The Crisis In the Episcopal Church is the Traditionalists' Fault
Drell's Descants ^ | 12/13/2005 | Louie Crew

Posted on 12/13/2005 3:49:41 PM PST by sionnsar

From Louie’s Natter:

XXXXXX, I find it hard to believe that you would be facing the defections that
you now face if through the years you had passionately taught God’s love of
gay people and if you had carefully, lovingly challenged the clearly abusive
comments and attitudes about them. You can do so without changing your
theology about the rightness or wrongness of lesbigay behavior. Indeed, we

are all called to go to the uttermost parts of the earth. Have you and your
parish gone to the uttermost parts of the [your local] lbgt community?

While you might have lost a few who cannot abide that Good News, you might
much more fully have attracted other sinners, who while not pro-lbgt, might
dare to think you would welcome them too.

Look at the outreach budget of St. Andrew’s. What portions of it have you
ever spent in specific ministries to lesbians and gays? How present have
you been in the gay community in ministries of service? Do you take out ads

for St. Andrew’s in lbgt newspapers? Or ads in the [local paper]
specifically welcoming lbgts? What in your behavior makes lbgts know that
they are welcome at the God’s table? What in your budget shows that
straights in your parish love lesbians and gays as much as they love
themselves?

I am not making up this criterion: it is Jesus’ second commandment, and
very close indeed to his first. This is the criterion of the great gettin
up morning - for as often as we have not served those whom we deem the least

among us, we have failed to serve Jesus.

In many cases so-called traditionalists have brought the current crisis on
themselves. It is a crisis brought on by sustained unlove. For 35+ years
while the rest of the Church engaged in conversations with lbgts, the
traditionalists remained largely silent knowing well the contempt which that
silence protected and encouraged. The unspoken message was, “Don’t worry.
We won’t even talk about them, and they will not show up here.”

Of course those with unexamined contempt for lbgts now feel betrayed by

their leaders, because lbgts are showing up everywhere, not just in the
lobby, but in primary leadership as sister and brother disciples.

I hear desperation in your appeal to vote for moratoria even if you can hope
to get moratoria for only 3-years at a time.

I hear in your appeal no co-passion for those whom you would exclude. If I
am deaf, point me to that co-passion.

Lutibelle/Louie

Louie Crew
Chair of the Newark Deputation. Member of Executive Council.

Neighbor

Our neighbor’s a fag and bakes good cakes,
as parents are careful to warn children.
But he’s just an undertaker,
so there ain’t much way

he could harm no living thing.

He even married wunts,
to a widow schoolteacher;
but their maid let out
how the two lived in separate parts
of the house right from the beginning,
and the teacher, being sickly,

conveniently upped and died real soon.

I think those boys were wrong to beat him up
when he wrote the paper about Anita.
A little sugar in his gas tank
or a few discreet breathing calls
oughta been enough to keep him scared
to make another public move.

We ain’t got nothin gainst queers, really,
long’s they don’t do nothin or tell nobody.
We never have let the Baptists
tell us how to run our lives.

– Louie Crew, 1978

Has appeared:

Gruene Street March 1997

Journal of Gay & Lesbian Social Services 7.3 (1997).

Rural Gays and Lesbians. An anthology edited by James D. Smith and Ronald
Mancoske. NY: Harrington Park Press, 1997. 106-107.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: ecusa; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 12/13/2005 3:49:42 PM PST by sionnsar
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2 posted on 12/13/2005 3:50:50 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Nice to see we are now reaching out to cowboys.


3 posted on 12/13/2005 3:53:35 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: sionnsar

Yeah. Right. Uhhuh...Let us blame those who tell us that the Word says our choices are not right. It's their fault. If they hadn't tried to follow the word, but listened to us, all would be hunky-dory. /sarcasm off


4 posted on 12/13/2005 3:54:24 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: sionnsar

Part of the plan of the one world religion crowd is to marginalize anyone who holds onto a traditional moral code. We are being labeled kooks and extremists for refusing to give up traditional beliefs. Traditional Christianity is a big obstacle from the outside. It will be infiltrated to destroy it from within.


5 posted on 12/13/2005 4:23:47 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sionnsar

Now that was WEIRD!


6 posted on 12/13/2005 4:36:34 PM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: sionnsar; Tax-chick

That's really, really weird, S.


7 posted on 12/13/2005 4:52:23 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

It's Louie Crew... should I have added a "Barf Alert"?


8 posted on 12/13/2005 5:08:26 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

According to the latest ECUSA figures, my parish has lost 58% of its membership in the past 3 years (I was already long gone).

Guess it's all the fault of the traditionalists. Can't think of what else might have caused it.


9 posted on 12/13/2005 5:34:41 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: sionnsar

"It's Louie Crew... should I have added a "Barf Alert"?"

Well, you know S, with him, it sort of goes without saying, don't you think? :)

Do us all a favor, though, please don't post any of his poetry!


10 posted on 12/13/2005 6:28:16 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis

K, you're quite the regular on the Anglican threads.

Did you like freak shows as a child?


11 posted on 12/13/2005 6:43:11 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: sionnsar
It's Louie Crew... should I have added a "Barf Alert"?

Always, on days of the week ending in "y".

12 posted on 12/13/2005 7:12:41 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: sionnsar
lbgts

little buggerts?

13 posted on 12/14/2005 9:41:35 AM PST by Claud
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