Posted on 11/29/2005 7:02:26 AM PST by HarleyD
It was a Wednesday.
It was a Wednesday, October 31, 1517. It was not really all that much different from the thousands of other Wednesdays that had come before. It was fall, of course, and the air had cooled down and the leaves were putting on a wonderful show of color along the River Elbe on the hillside. It was nice time to be a German. It was a nice time to live in rural Germany.
The harvest had been plentiful. That is, it had been as plentiful as the white sand fields surrounding the little town of Wittenberg would allow. Still there had been a harvest and a pretty good one by their standards and it had been successfully gathered in and had been put away for the impending, German winter.
The people of Wittenberg had also begun to put away their terrible recollections and haunted memories of the plague that had come only a few years before and had destroyed so many without mercy. But even that, even that and the terrible memories associated with it had subsided somewhat into something of a distant memory. No, at that particular moment, in that particular season, on that particular day times were good as good as they had been in years. The plague had subsided. The harvest was in and there was talk still of Italian Columbus and his discovery of a new world in the west only two decades or so before. People, it seemed, knew more than they had ever known. The newly invented printing press has seen to that. Columbus story had been circulated widely and had set mens minds to dreaming of new and better lands of opportunity and promise. Still, rural Germany was not all that bad. Their own particular province of Saxony ruled, as it was by Frederick the Wise, their crown prince and champion, was especially nice.
In particular, their little town of Wittenberg, and it was little only 2,000 residents or so and not much more than nine-tenths of a mile long from one end to the other set as the crown jewel of Prince Fredericks province of Saxony had lots of reasons to count its blessings.
It had become something of the provinces chief seat and had become a pet project for their beloved crowned prince, Frederick the Wise. His chief castle and primary residence were there and he had started up a new university in the town just ten years earlier and it too was doing rather well.1 It was up to almost two hundred young students and was even beginning to enjoy something of a reputation for excellence.2 Prince Frederick had started the school to attract and keep students in his own dominions. In fact, all of the other major provinces in the empire already had universities and it had never seemed right to him to have students from his domain travel off to Leipzig or any of the surrounding provinces for their education. It especially did not seem right for them to travel away and to take their money to some other princes domain. Still, they knew his motivations regarding the school were not altogether mercenary. He wanted the school to add prestige to his imperial presence and they knew that adding prestige to his imperial presence also meant adding prestige to their little town. In fact, they had been genuinely encouraged by his recent move of upgrading the schools faculty by replacing some of its six or seven professors with some very gifted teachers from Erfurt and elsewhere. It was true that some of the professors he had added had been priests priests attached to the Augustinian monastery at the edge of town. But that was all right. There was nothing unusual about that. The Augustinians were known for their erudition and scholarship and many of the priests in other notable cities did double duty as both pastors and as professors. Besides priests especially monks were inexpensive and they attracted students who wanted to study for the ministry and there were plenty of available cells at the monastery at the edge of town. One or two more monks added to an order already containing thirty other monks was not going to hurt anything or crowd anyone.
Now, that morning, that particular Wednesday morning, October 31, 1517, one of the monks from the monastery one of the monks brought in to teach at the university a medium height, thin, thirty-three year old Augustinian monk so thin that he seemed emaciated almost skeletal made his way from the monastery at the edge of town up to the castle and the church front door alongside. He had a large sheet of paper rolled up in his hand but other than that there was not very much else about him that would have drawn notice. Oh, he wore a monks robes and he had his head tonsured that is, he had his hair cut like a bowl with a bald spot shaved on top and he was terribly thin and pale but other than that there wasnt very much that would have caught anyones eye or attention. They were used to seeing monks in Wittenberg and besides the streets of Wittenberg were crowded and busy that Wednesday morning. There was a tremendous sense of excitement in the air that Wednesday morning because the next day was a feast day, the Day of All Saints All Hallowed Ones Day. That meant that special preparations were being made at the Wittenberg Castle for the next day; it was a busy afternoon. All Saints Day at the Wittenberg castle meant that the All Saints Foundations collection of religious relics was going to be on display. That meant, of course, and that there would be hundred of pilgrims in town the next day to pay the admission to see them. Now they didnt come, of course, just because they were interested in viewing ancient relics. To be sure, ancient relics were interesting what person in their right mind would not pay to see the mummified thumb of Jesus grandmother, St. Anne.
Such artifacts aroused a sort of morbid curiosity.
But that was not the principal reason people stood in line and paid money to see the relics at Wittenberg. No, the reason they stood in line and paid to visit the relics at Wittenberg on All Saints Day was because viewing them provided a wonderful opportunity for the citizens of Saxony to obtain an official papal indulgence or pardon for their sins.
Now the reason they thought such indulgences were necessary was because that had been taught that Christs death was not sufficient to remove the temporal punishment due their sins. Oh, they knew and believed that Christ had secured their eternal forgiveness but they also knew and believed that they had to pay a temporal punishment of their sins. That is, they believed that God required them to pay for the sins they had committed in the flesh. Somehow, and they were never quite sure about how all that worked itself out, they knew that Christ had taken care of the eternal punishment of their sins but that the temporal punishment of their sin had to be satisfied either by suffering or by doing good works or by doing works of penance sufficient to offset their sin or by spending a time of purification in that mysterious and terrifying place called purgatory. Of course, they knew purgatory was not the same thing as hell but they also knew that it was not a place anyone would willingly want to experience. They certainly had no intention of experiencing it if they could avoid it. Indulgences offered them that chance.
Of course, they believed and accepted the doctrine of purgatory and why shouldnt they? Only heretics denied the existence of purgatory men like John Huss and John Wycliffe and the church had certainly taken care of them. Besides, the doctrine of purgatory had been the teaching of the church straight along since the days of Jesus, hadnt it? All of their priests and bishops alike believed it and taught it, didnt they? Even the Holy Father, Leo X taught it and hadnt he provided for their benefit, as the keeper and dispenser of the Treasury of Merits of the Saints, some practical ways, really convenient and fairly inexpensive ways to avoid purgatory and all of the awful grief of its purifying flames? Wasnt that what days like All Saints Day at Wittenberg were all about? A person could go up to the castle, pay a few coins, go in and view some extraordinary relics, contemplate his sin, determine to turn over a new leaf and come out afterwards with an official document stamped and sealed by the mother church itself, guaranteeing forgiveness from all the temporal punishment of their sins both now and more importantly again in the day of their death.
What a blessing that was.
What a wonderful and caring pope, Pope Leo was.
What a wonderful and caring crowned prince Prince Frederick was.
To think that he was willing to provide such a wonderful collection of relics right there in their own community that he was willing to maintain them to protect them and to constantly add to them and to so graciously make them available to all his subjects and even to the subjects of other provinces on this one day each year when harvest was in and the weather was still good was just too kind.
It was good to be German.
It was good to live in a nice, quiet little town like Wittenberg in the German province of Saxony in a confederation of provinces known as the Holy Roman Empire on the Wednesday before All Saints Day, October 31, 1517. It was good. It was quiet. It was peaceful. There was hardly any trouble of any kind I mean except for the plague and except for the occasional war and except for ignorance and poverty and the encroaching Muslims in the east it was a pretty good time to be alive.
But the thin emaciated, 33 year-old skeletal monk the one with the tonsured hair the one teaching Bible at their university the one living in the monastery at the edge of town the one who was always was so solemn and so serious and who sometimes begged for bread by singing on their front stoops the one who had a large piece of paper rolled up in his hand and who was weaving his way through the crowded streets up to the castle and to the large wooden door of the church alongside was about to change all that.
He was about to fasten the piece of paper in his hand to the front door of the castle church. That was all he intended to do. He wanted to fasten a piece of paper to the church door and start a discussion among scholars about a few things that troubled him a few things that troubled him about indulgences and the practice of selling indulgences and what allowing them to be sold meant in relation to the sacrament of penance and to the gospel. But what he was actually about to do was to start a revolution that would alter, forever, the course of human history. He was about to prick the most vulnerable spot on the richest and most powerful kingdom on earth. He was about to prick Achilles heel of the Roman Catholic with the point of his pen.
His name was Martin Luther. It was October 31, 1517 and he was about to start the Protestant Reformation.
Lets pray.
Our Great God and King,
You who turn the heart of men to the truth and turn the hearts of kings to do your will, we bless and praise you this day especially for restoring the gospel to your church in the Reformation. We thank you for men like Luther and Calvin and Knox and Zwingli and we long for you to again your gospel to its proper place of prominence in mens hearts and minds. Would you be so gracious as to take these humble lessons these few meditations and thoughts and use them this morning to stir our hearts to worship and magnify your name and your faithful stewardship of both your church and of human history? Help us to see your hand as it guided providence and guided men smitten by the gospel in order that we too might come to love gospel and proclaim your great work in this place. This we pray in Jesus name, Amen.
Brothers and sisters, it is Reformation Day rejoice and be glad.
This morning we are starting a new study called the History of the Reformation. It will not be a particularly long or difficult study, only some three months or so. It will a little different than our normal Bible exposition studies. By that, I mean it will be more theological, biographical and historical than what we usually do on Sunday morning. But I still think it can be helpful. I trust our study will give you some new insight into the kindness and work of God in human history and that it will introduce you to a few of the men and women God used to restore the gospel to its proper place. It seems to me the timing is right. We have just finished a lengthy study of Romans and it is after all, Reformation Day, which is named in honor of the day Luther posted the Ninety-Five Theses to the castle church door in Wittenberg.
Now there is a sense in which that particular day, October 31, 1517 was not really the start of the Reformation at all. There is a sense in which the Reformation had been underfoot for some time when Luther nailed his paper to the door there in Wittenberg. Some say it had actually started with Wycliffe or with Huss, a hundred years earlier. Some say, it hard started with St. Anselm in the twelfth century as he worked out the notion of a forensic or legal justification. Some say it started with St. Augustine in the fifth century when he fought it out with Pelagius over the inherent sinfulness of man. Still October 31st is the day we celebrate as Reformation Day and I thought I might take a few minutes this morning and explain to you why that is.
Now to do that I need to talk about I need to talk for a minute or two about the three or four different, seemingly unrelated things.
I need to talk about the Catholic Churchs sacramental theology in 1517.
I need to talk about the concept of indulgences and the idea of a Treasury of Merit.
And then finally, I need to talk for a minute or two about the printing press and the impact of the Renaissance and how Luthers understanding of the Bible was impacted by his actually reading the Bible and by that I mean his actually reading a Greek New Testament.
All right then, first the political world in which Martin Luther lived in 1517. Now the first thing you ought to know is that Martin Luther lived in the German province of Saxony which was one of the provinces that made up a confederation of lands called the Holy Roman Empire and the first thing that you ought to know about the Holy Roman Empire is that it was wasnt and by that I mean it was not holy it was not even Roman.
It was principally German. Although from time to time it included other lands and other areas it was always principally German.
It had first been created by Charlemagne in 800 AD some 700 years earlier.
Charlemagne created an empire out of the various fractured states of Western Europe. The pope of Charlemagnes day recognizing that Charlemagne controlled the political scene crowned him the emperor and protector of Christian. The Popes reasoning was twofold. First, he wanted Charlemagne to protect Rome from invading Muslims and secondly he wanted to inject himself into the politics of Europe. If he could get future kings to depend upon the churchs recognition, it could perhaps influence who became emperor and how the empire responded to the church.
So you can see the Holy Roman Empire was called the Holy Roman Empire simply because the Emperor was recognized and crowned by the Holy Roman Church. So for the next seven hundred years, something of a battle ensued. The Pope claimed spiritual dominion over Europe and the Emperor claimed temporal dominion. Sometimes the interests of the Pope and the interest of the Emperor put them in terrible conflict with each other. Naturally, the size of the empire and the power of the emperor varied from emperor to emperor. By 1356, the emperor was selected by electors. That is, several of the crown princes or bishops of Europe were chosen to elect a new Roman emperor whenever the old one died. That meant, of course, that the electors held enormous power. If an emperors descendant was powerful enough he could force the electors to elect him. If he were not very powerful, the electors could choose an emperor that was more amenable to advancing their own personal agendas. Electors were often influenced by money.
Frederick the Wise Wittenberg I bring all that up because Frederick the Wise, the crowned prince of Saxony was one of the seven electors of the Holy Roman Empire in 1517. He was very powerful and because he was an older man and had been the crowned prince of Saxony for awhile he would later be able to demand certain protections for Luther that Luther otherwise would not have had. For example, when the Pope Leo wanted Luther to be shipped off to Rome to be tried for heresy, Frederick the Wise demanded that Luther be tried in Germany.
Now there were other electors but the rest of them are not very important to our story this morning. However, one is important and his name is Prince Albert of Brandenburg. Prince Albert was also a crowned prince of Germany but he was not an elector. What he was, however, was a bishop. He had purchased his office from the pope. In fact, he had purchased two of them, one at Halberstadt and one at Magdeburg. But he wanted one more. He wanted to be the Bishop of Mainz, or I should say the Archbishop of Mainz, because he knew if he could obtain that office he would automatically become an elector. Now Albert faced three obstacles. The first problem that he faced was that canon law did not permit a man to stack up offices. In other words, a man was not allowed to be the bishop of more than one see or diocese or area at a time. The second problem that he faced was that he was only twenty-four and was thus too young to be a bishop in the first place. The third problem he faced was that the Diocese of Mainz was bankrupt. You see whenever a new bishop was chosen the Diocese had to pay a large sum of money to the papacy and the Diocese of Mainz had had three archbishops in ten years. Each of the three previous men had died prematurely so the Diocese had not had enough time to recover all the money it had paid to Rome.
Think of it this way. Imagine that when this church decided to choose Tom Ferrell as its pastor the church had to pay the North Texas Presbytery a sum of money. Lets say the presbytery responded like this, We see you want Mr. Ferrell and he is q good man and we are willing to let you have if you send us say $50,000. And lets say the church responded by saying, Well that is lot of money but we expect he will be with us a long time and he is a good man, so yes we will do that.
Then lets say that Tom Ferrell died unexpectedly and the church decided to call John Duke as pastor and the presbytery responded by saying, Yes, well he is a lot more sinful than Mr. Ferrell but alright. That will cost you $75,000. Then lets say that the church responded by saying, Well thats a lot of money but we want him so I guess we will have to do what we have to do. But the John too died unexpectedly and then the church decided to call that wonderful and winsome character Tom Browning but the presbytery responded by saying, Well we know the depth of this characters character and we know the depth of his depravity and you can have him but it is going to cost you $200,000.
You see the question at point becomes, Just how much can a church take? Well that is pretty much what happened at Mainz. The diocese was busted flat out broke still they needed a bishop but their bishop because of the prominence of their churchs position and size was more than a bishop. He was an archbishop.
Now there was a sense in which that provided a wonderful opportunity for Albert of Brandenburg. All he had to do was come up with the money. So Albert hired the Fugger Banking House of Germany to negotiate the office for him. They reported back to him that the office could be had for 12,000 gold ducats and the reason for that amount was that there had been twelve apostles. Albert counter offered 7,000 gold ducats because there were after all only seven deadly sins. Eventually, they settled on 10,000 gold ducts presumably because there were after all, Ten Commandments. Only Albert did not have 10,000 gold ducats of his own. So he borrowed the money from the Fugger Bank after he obtained from Rome permission to sell indulgences to raise the money to offset his debt. Now this is what Rome agreed to. He could have the office and he could see indulgences as long as after the debt was paid half of the money raised were to go to Rome to help pay for building St. Peters Basillica.
Now, well talk about that a lot more next week but the main thing I want you to see is that meant there were two electors selling indulgences. One of them was Frederick the Wise who only sold his indulgences once a year at the Feast of All Saints and the other was Albert of Brandenburg who was also the Archbishop of Mainz. Albert was selling his indulgences every day and he was selling them aggressively and for the most part fairly cheaply.
That put them in conflict and made them competitors. Of course, Frederick the Wise was offended and forbade the selling of Alberts indulgences in his province. But because their provinces butted up to each other, it was very easy for Fredericks subjects to slip over the border to Alberts province and purchase whatever they needed.
Now keeping that in mind, lets talk a minute about the Roman Catholics sacramental theology in 1517. The Catholic Church held to seven sacraments. They were: baptism, the Lords Supper, confirmation, penance, extreme unction, orders and matrimony. The one that concerns us this morning is penance. The Catholic Church instituted the sacrament of penance based upon a mistranslation of the Greek word to repent. It provided an opportunity for a sinner to be restored after having made shipwreck of his faith. You see medieval catholic theology viewed grace almost as if it were a substance. When a Christian committed a sin, some of that grace conferred at baptism was lost. When a Christian committed a mortal sin, murder or adultery or something to that effect, all of their grace was lost something like water running out of a bathtub. The Sacrament of Penance allowed that grace to be restored.
Penance itself was made up of three parts: contrition being sorry for your sin, confession telling someone like a priest about your sin, and satisfaction doing something tangible to demonstrate the reality of having turned away from sin. Now initially, satisfaction involved works of mercy or charity and the like. A person could obtain satisfaction by giving money to the poor or caring for the poor or defending the faith or going on a pilgrimage, etc.
The idea of pilgrimages became especially important during the time of the Crusades. In fact, the whole idea of dealing with the temporal satisfaction of sin came to the forefront during the Crusades and the church began to offer plenary indulgences to any man who would enlist in the service of the church to go to the middle east and help fight for and secure the Holy Land and all of its holy sites for the church. Later, opportunity was offered to those who could not go to help pay the way for others to go and with that idea the notion of indulgences was born.
You can see then how indulgences became a way to pay money to deal with the temporal satisfaction of sin. At first, the church was very careful offering indulgences only every hundred years or so. But as the church began to need money and especially as the church came under increasing pressure from Muslims in the east, it began to sell indulgences more often.
Now in the hands of a responsible man like Frederick the Wise, selling indulgences provided revenue for public works projects and the like. It did not make the theology right but there were few if any of the terrible abuses that were to come later. In the hands of a younger man like Albert of Brandenburg the selling of indulgences reached new and terrible lows.
In fact, Albert brought in the best, or perhaps I should say the worst, salesman he could find to sell his indulgences. His name was John Tetzel and he was an awful man. There was almost nothing that he wouldnt do, almost nothing he wouldnt say to get the money. He became famous for this little ditty,
To which critics responded,
Now you might be asking yourself, Why did they think an indulgence was able to provide satisfaction for temporal sin?
They believed that was possible because the believed in something called the Treasury of Merit. The Treasury of Merit was a collection of merit secured in heaven and made up of all of the good works of all of the saints of all of the ages. You see the theology of the medieval church recognized that some saints were so good that they did more than was required in their case to provide satisfaction for their sins and the church believed that no good work was ever wasted or forgotten and that the extra merit provided by the good works of saints was treasured up in the Treasury of Merit and that the Pope could apply the value of such works to other sinners as he saw fit. In other words, he had the power to impute to an undeserving sinner the benefit of the Treasury of Merit if he chose.
Now those of you who were raised in catholic backgrounds will especially appreciate that, I think.
Now the benefit of that imputation occurred whenever a person obtained an indulgence. The excess good works that were stored up there were applied to the sinner and satisfaction for the temporal punishment of his sin was obtained and the long and the short of that meant that such sinners escaped the purifying fires of purgatory altogether.
Listen for example to a section of a sermon preached by Tetzel appealing to his listeners to purchase an indulgence for their parents suffering in purgatory. You should know that all who confess and in penance put alms into the coffer according to the counsel of the confessor, will obtain complete remission of all their sins. Why are you then standing there? Run for the salvation of your souls! Be as careful and concerned for the salvation of your souls as you are for your temporal goods, which you seek both day and night. Seek the Lord while he may be found and while he is near. Dont you hear the voices of your wailing dead parents and others who say, Have mercy upon me, have mercy upon me, because we are in severe punishment and pain. From this you could redeem us with small alms and yet you do not want to do so. Open your ears as the father says to the son and the mother to the daughter We have created you, fed you, cared for you, and left you our temporal goods. Why then are you so cruel and harsh that you do not want to save us, though it only takes a little? You let us lie in flames so that we only slowly come to the promised glory. You may have letters which let you have, once in life and in the hour of death...full remission of the punishment which belongs to sin. Oh, those of you with vows, you usurers, robbers, murderers, and criminals - Now is the time to hear the voice of God. He does not want the death of the sinner rather he wants that the sinner be converted and live. Convert yourselves 3
You can see, I think, how such blatant greed made good men like Frederick cringe. You can especially see, I think, how it made a good man like Martin Luther cringe and so Luther a young thirty-three year old monk wrote up Ninety-Five Thesis regarding the selling and the nature of indulgences not because he wanted to start a revolution but rather because he wanted to help stop the bleeding of the poor because he wanted to stop such awful abuse.
Now Luther wrote his Ninety-Five Theses in Latin and he did that because he wanted it to be an academic or ecclesiastical discussion. He had no intention of making it public. But within two weeks, his Ninety Five Theses had been translated into German and circulated all across Germany.
Luther it seems had hit a nerve.
Listen to what Roland Bainton says:
I like that, He was startled to hear the clanging of a bell.
Now the ringing of that bell signaled the start of the Reformation. Praise be to God it rings still.
Lets pray.
It's not a laughing matter.
More people are searching out the
One
Holy
Catholic
Apostolic
Church -- the true Church! (And the only Church with the four marks of validity.)
BTW, we do pray for you.
"Time is short ... eternity is long." -- John Henry Cardinal Newman.
A Brief Confession Before Father ConfessorsFrom the Full Confession of St. Demetrius of Rostov
I confess to the Lord my God and before thee, venerable father, all my countless sins, committed by me unto this very day and hour, in deed, word and thought. I sin daily and hourly by mine ingratitude toward God for His great and countless blessings and benevolent providence over me, a sinner.
I have sinned through: idle talking, judging others, stubbornness, pride, hard-heartedness, envy, anger, slander, inattention, negligence concerning my salvation, carelessness, indifference, impertinence, irritability, despondency, rendering evil for evil, bitterness, disobedience, complaining, self-justification, contradicting others, self-will, being reproachful, gossiping, lying, light-mindedness, tempting others, self-love, ambition, gourmandizing, eating and drinking to excess, vanity, laziness, entertaining unclean thoughts, acquisitiveness, impure glances, absence from divine services because of laziness and carelessness, absent-mindedness at prayer both in church and at home; I have sinned in deed, word thought; in sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch and the rest of my mental and physical senses; of all my sins I repent and beg forgiveness.
(Here one should mention specifically any other sins which may be burdening the soul.)
I also repent and ask forgiveness for all those sins that I have not confessed because of their multitude and my forgetfulness.
Forgive and absolve me, venerable father, and bless me to commune of the holy and life-creating Mysteries of Christ unto the remission of sins and life everlasting.
From Orthodox Info (Russian Orthodox Cathedral of St. John the Baptist
Please note the bolded text. The penitent is confessing to God and to the priest. He then asks the priest for forgiveness and absolution.
Penances Their Nature and PurposePenance is a form of discipline or a prohibition administered by the priest (in accordance with the canons or laws of the Church) to those repentant Christians for whom it is necessary, much as a doctor prescribes a suitable medicine or treatment. It is a form of treatment for a moral sickness. Examples of penances are: fasting over and above what is required of all Orthodox Christians, special prayers of repentance with prostrations, reading books which will help in overcoming ones weakness, and the performance of good works.
From: A Catechism on Confession -- St Nicholas Russian Orthodox Church
Satisfaction1459 Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries). Simple justice requires as much. But sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused. Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must "make satisfaction for" or "expiate" his sins. This satisfaction is also called "penance."
1460 The penance the confessor imposes must take into account the penitent's personal situation and must seek his spiritual good. It must correspond as far as possible with the gravity and nature of the sins committed. It can consist of prayer, an offering, works of mercy, service of neighbor, voluntary self-denial, sacrifices, and above all the patient acceptance of the cross we must bear. Such penances help configure us to Christ, who alone expiated our sins once for all. They allow us to become co-heirs with the risen Christ, "provided we suffer with him."
The satisfaction that we make for our sins, however, is not so much ours as though it were not done through Jesus Christ. We who can do nothing ourselves, as if just by ourselves, can do all things with the cooperation of "him who strengthens" us. Thus man has nothing of which to boast, but all our boasting is in Christ . . . in whom we make satisfaction by bringing forth "fruits that befit repentance." These fruits have their efficacy from him, by him they are offered to the Father, and through him they are accepted by the Father.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
Note the medicinal quality of penance in both Orthodox and Latin Christianity. And as was shown in the Orthodox instruction, above, the penitent is confessing both to God and to the priest, God's minister.
This is also reflective of the Christian view of the priest in the sacrament of penance:
1465 When he celebrates the sacrament of Penance, the priest is fulfilling the ministry of the Good Shepherd who seeks the lost sheep, of the Good Samaritan who binds up wounds, of the Father who awaits the prodigal son and welcomes him on his return, and of the just and impartial judge whose judgment is both just and merciful. the priest is the sign and the instrument of God's merciful love for the sinner.1466 The confessor is not the master of God's forgiveness, but its servant. the minister of this sacrament should unite himself to the intention and charity of Christ. He should have a proven knowledge of Christian behavior, experience of human affairs, respect and sensitivity toward the one who has fallen; he must love the truth, be faithful to the Magisterium of the Church, and lead the penitent with patience toward healing and full maturity. He must pray and do penance for his penitent, entrusting him to the Lord's mercy.
More importantly, we have the Bible as the reference: And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (Matt 16:18-19)
And again, On the evening of that first day of the week, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be with you." When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. (Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."(Jn 20:19-23)
I don't know why you have this visceral hatred of Christianity, but it doesn't serve you or the Body of Christ very well.
Ping.
It should be noted by having the Church absolves one's sins, the Church was setting itself up for abuse. The EO position wouldn't allow it. It should also be noted the purchasing of indulgents were later deemed wrong by the Catholic Church itself. So don't blame the author for reporting history.
I see a lot of Catholics out here complaining about the author's take on history. That is typical. If it doesn't come from an official Catholic source it must be bias.
There seems to be some confusion on the Eastern Orthodox belief in penance. Being Eastern Orthodox you are best to help us all understand if any differences exist and if Wipipedia is correct. Thanks.
Unity will come. In fact -- it is already showing its face.
jo kus-"Really? That's not what I've been told, nor do the Church Fathers agree with that idea."
From www.newadvent.org-"No Catholic believes that a priest simply as an individual man, however pious or learned, has power to forgive sins. This power belongs to God alone; but He can and does exercise it through the ministration of men."
Wikipedia definition is almost plagerism straight from the Catholic website. You must be reading the wrong Church Fathers. Here is what the Council of Trent canonized in 1551:
A man made doctrine; Luther added the word "alone" to his version of Romans 3:28, not found in Scripture.
??? The Wikipedia article you quoted said that it's not Catholic belief that "the Church absolves one's sins", didn't it?
the Church was setting itself up for abuse.
To what abuse are you referring?
It should also be noted the purchasing of indulgents were later deemed wrong by the Catholic Church itself.
You mean "indulgences". It was deemed wrong at the time. But what does that have to do with claiming that the sacrament of confession arose from a mistranslation of Scripture?
I think you're confused between the sacrament of penance or confession, on the one hand, and indulgences, on the other. They aren't connected, except that you have to confess your sins in a sacramental confession first in order to qualify for an indulgence.
IIRC, Luther had no problem with the sacrament of confession, although he said some things about the theology of the sacrament with which we'd disagree. Later Lutheran practice left confession behind. So don't blame the author for reporting history.
Can I blame him for twisting it?
I responded and YOU sent me back the SAME quote! By which action so signal and words so clear the consent of all the Fathers has ever understood that the power of forgiving and retaining sins was communicated to the Apostles and to their lawful successors, for the reconciling of the faithful who have fallen after Baptism. (Sess. XIV, c. i)
Harley, how does your response back up your assertion that "Catholics believe that no priest...has the power to forgive sins"? By parroting me back Trent, you are merely explaining what I already said - that priests HAVE THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS - GIVEN BY GOD!
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The Wikipedia article stated "...God can and does exercise it [forgiveness of sin] through the Catholic priesthood." This is consistent with Trent.
"To what abuse are you referring?"
Selling indulgences
I think you're confused between...penance or confession, on the one hand, and indulgences, on the other. They aren't connected, except that you have to confess your sins in a sacramental confession first in order to qualify for an indulgence.
I'm not confused (at least not on this issue and perhaps the spelling). "Penance", imposed by the confessor when he gives absolution is an integral part of the Sacrament of Penance; an indulgence is extra-sacramental; it presupposes the effects obtained by confession, contrition, and sacramental satisfaction. It differs also from the penitential works undertaken of his own accord by the repentant sinner -- prayer, fasting, alms-giving.
"Luther had no problem with the sacrament of confession"
You guys complain when Luther disagree with you and praise him as an example of where he agrees. You're driving me crazy (and its a short drive).
Missed pinging you on #37. Sorry!
I believe we are talking pass one another. Yes I agree with you. The Roman Catholic Church doctrine believes the power to forgive sins rests within the Church.
Thanks for describing Eastern Christian confession to us. I really like the Orthodox concept of an office of Confessor. Lord knows there are too many Latin Catholic priests who just "go through the motions" with that sacrament.
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