Medieval Mistakes

You specifically state that the person is given a decision, a choice between heaven and hell.

From Post 573:

HD-You don't make any decisions. You don't even cooperate. God saves you and it is His gift to you. There is not one thing you have to boast about-not even your "cooperation".

What part of this don't you understand and how many times do I need to repeat this? BTW-I don't see an answer from you on how you "cooperate".

HarleyD,

I'm specifically asking you to explain the following contradiction:

You specifically state that the person is given a decision, a choice between heaven and hell.

"As far as Heaven, God opens the heart so that it isn't rebellious and then ask,. "Do you want to go the heaven or do you want an eternal life of torment?" This isn't a "rocket science" decision by us."

Perhaps you no longer believe what you wrote? Perhaps you never believed what you wrote.

"You don't make any decisions."

Perhaps you could explain to me why these statements are only apparently contradictory? You make a decision, but you never make a decision.

You specifically state that the person is given a decision, a choice between heaven and hell.

Reference please????

Perhaps you could explain to me why these statements are only apparently contradictory? You make a decision, but you never make a decision.

Please see Post 541. My opinion has not changed.

I'm still waiting on how you "cooperate" and whether you feel you need to work for your salvation.

Keep it simple. Faith in Him as a beginning point in understanding the anthroplogy of man (body, soul, and spirit), doesn't require any further presupposition. Faith is totally nonmeritoroius for the person thinking the faith. Where is is directed at God, through Christ, it is countable as righteousness. In God's Perfect Holiness (His Perfect Holiness = His Perfect Righteousness + His Perfect Justice), when we have faith in Him through Christ, there is nothing of that Holiness that prevents Him from providing grace to us by His Will (His Sovereignty). Sin (disobedience to His Will) as an issue that isolates man from God (death, a state of existence involving separation) has already been dealth with by our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus on the Cross. Good and Evil have not been similarily dealt with because unlike sin, which was atoned by Christ and only requires an immediate act of faith for forgiveness, good and evil must be dealt with over time. A very important aspect of the good and evil problem is to recognize that human good without divine righteousness, is still good for nothingness. Part of divine righteousness in our willed works is to remain filled with the Holy Spirit during this mystery Church Age. It might be more appropriate intead of writing, "What I do know is that I need to trust Him because whatever the reason it has to be ultimately good." to instead write, "I need to trust Him because whatever His plan it is ultimately righteous." In His Holiness, when dealing with corruption, His righteousness demands justice. That justice, in the eyes of those who are scarred in sin, might very well appear bad and/or chaotic.

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Keep it simple. Faith in Him as a beginning point in understanding the anthroplogy of man (body, soul, and spirit), doesn't require any further presupposition. Faith is totally nonmeritoroius for the person thinking the faith. Where is is directed at God, through Christ, it is countable as righteousness. In God's Perfect Holiness (His Perfect Holiness = His Perfect Righteousness + His Perfect Justice), when we have faith in Him through Christ, there is nothing of that Holiness that prevents Him from providing grace to us by His Will (His Sovereignty).

Sin (disobedience to His Will) as an issue that isolates man from God (death, a state of existence involving separation) has already been dealth with by our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus on the Cross. Good and Evil have not been similarily dealt with because unlike sin, which was atoned by Christ and only requires an immediate act of faith for forgiveness, good and evil must be dealt with over time.

A very important aspect of the good and evil problem is to recognize that human good without divine righteousness, is still good for nothingness. Part of divine righteousness in our willed works is to remain filled with the Holy Spirit during this mystery Church Age.

It might be more appropriate intead of writing, "What I do know is that I need to trust Him because whatever the reason it has to be ultimately good." to instead write, "I need to trust Him because whatever His plan it is ultimately righteous." In His Holiness, when dealing with corruption, His righteousness demands justice. That justice, in the eyes of those who are scarred in sin, might very well appear bad and/or chaotic.

Reference please????

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