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Cardinal Pell: Ending Celibacy Rule Would Be a Blunder
Zenit News Agency ^ | October 12, 2005

Posted on 10/12/2005 5:05:05 PM PDT by NYer

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To: ThomasMore

"It's been that way from the beginning. St. Paul's letter to Timothy and his letter to Titus are witness to the apostolic tradition of ordaining married men to Holy Orders."

There's some debate on that. From my perspective, it doesn't really matter. The organic tradition of the eastern churches is a married preisthood, the organic tradition of the west is a celibate one.

I wonder how many men cannot answer the call as well, but I think that in the future, that will be less of a factor. First, I think the eastern churches will grow relative to the western church and there will be a need for more eastern Catholic priests. I think the days of eastern Catholic churches in the U.S. refraining from ordaining married men are numbered. The one exception I see is the Maronites.

The second factor I see coming into play is the ability to change rites. It used to be just about impossible to formally change rites (churches), but it's easier now. It of course depends on the specific churches involved, but changing rites is no longer the onerous burden it once was.

That's a long way of saying that married priests will be a reality in the U.S. It might not be in the western church, but there will be an avenue for those married men who are qualified, who are patient, and who really want to be priests.


41 posted on 10/13/2005 5:44:28 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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There are 22 Churches sui juris in six separate rites, five Eastern and one Western, that in union comprise the Catholic Church. The discipline in the West is for celibacy of all of those, with a relatively few dispensations granted under Pope John Paul IIs Pastoral Provision, ordained to the Priesthood. The discipline in the Eastern Rites are that married men may be ordained to the Priesthood but once ordained single Priests may not then get married. Bishops in the Eastern Rites are chosen exclusively from amongst celibates. Someone as learned as you claim to be on the topic should know all of this but you and I and everyone else reading this realizes that you aren't as learned as you want people to think you are.

You are absolutely correct!

As an RC practicing my faith in an Eastern (Maronite) Catholic Church, I am very impressed with their view of celibacy. The Orthodox in the forum oftentimes demean the Maronites as being too "latinized". However, the Maronites hitched their wagon to the pope many centuries ago and have enjoyed a 'symbiotic' relationship with Holy Mother Church. In return for their adhesion to the truths of the Catholic Church, they were given vestments, sacramentals (statues, stations of the cross, etc.), sacred vessels and 2 seminaries - one in Rome, the other in France. The Maronites strongly adhere to the rule of celibacy but, as the Patriarch pointed out last Friday, allow married men to become priests. What he did not explain, however, is the process entailed.

My Lebanese born, celibate Maronite priest did explain this to a group of us earlier this year. It is a painstaking process. Once a married man applies to become a priest, he and his family are put to a scrupulous examination of faith. The Maronite view is that a married man is responsible to his family 'first', to his parish second. If the applicant and family pass scrutiny, he is allowed into seminary and ordained a deacon. After a certain number of years, should the deacon decide to become a priest, he and the family are once again scrutinized. There must be a solid and strong foundation of faith and support for this man in order to serve his church and family. Father also explained that in the East, marriage vows are still taken quite seriously vs the West, where more than 50% of marriages end in divorce. That is totally unacceptable to the Maronites and the Church, hence the scrutiny. Once the applicant and family pass muster, he is ordained a priest. The next obstacle is assigning him to a parish. Times are tough in the Middle East and monies must go a long way. It is not unusual for parishioners to scrutinize the wife and children of their married pastor. Should they show up wearing fancy clothes, the weekly donations drop commmensurate with the quality of their garb. Sad to say but, it makes perfect sense.

Father went on to suggest that should the Latin Rite Church decide to open the doors to married men, it would take approximaely 100 years to prepare for this change, given the view towards marriage in the West. Just some food for thought.

42 posted on 10/13/2005 5:50:15 PM PDT by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: RKBA Democrat
There's some debate on that

The simple fact that episcopal statements promoting the celibate life within the orders exist in patristic writings, evidenced in Cochini's book, attests to the fact that in Christendom, bishops were ordaining married men for centuries in the West. Also, the first few centuries saw NO distinction in Christianity pertaining to this discipline, and the eastern rites have always ordained married men.

43 posted on 10/14/2005 3:16:46 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Time to remove the Gays from the hierarchy!)
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would take approximaely 100 years to prepare for this change, given the view towards marriage in the West

Sad but true.

44 posted on 10/14/2005 3:18:02 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Time to remove the Gays from the hierarchy!)
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