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To: annalex
What is interesting, in a sick way, is that I can go with my wife to church three blocks from my house, but I insist she goes 20 miles away. The one in town is totally different and very much more loosy gooesy than the one in Moline. Again, as one on the outside it appears that there is a schism already in place, but it hasn't been formalized.
13 posted on 09/30/2005 12:59:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
What is interesting, in a sick way, is that I can go with my wife to church three blocks from my house, but I insist she goes 20 miles away.

My wife and I do the exact same thing. Every Sunday we pass our local parish one block away from our house to take a 45 minute car-ride to the Latin Mass.

Reverent liturgy is worth it.

16 posted on 09/30/2005 1:24:12 PM PDT by Claud
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To: redgolum; Hermann the Cherusker

Choosing one parish over another, or one rite over another, is no schism. Not even informal schism.

A church is Catholic if a licitly ordained priest consecrates a valid Eucharist in it and the rubrics of the appropriate rite are followed. That is all. Larger towns have several Eastern Catholic rites as well as the Latin rite. People drive to the mass of their chosen rite. If it is too far, they go to the mass they can get to, and go to the preferred rite on holidays, or when an occasion presents itself. Novus ordo is just one more rite. These are all normal Catholic behavior. No schism.

If a Catholic chooses a geographically remote parish of the same rite, it is a bit problematic, but it does not constitute a schism. It is a mild insubordination at the most, particularly if the reasons are better conformance at the farther parish. Remember, people belong to the Catholic Church as a whole, they do not belong to a rite. They register at a parish for reasons of fundraising mostly. Hermann may wish to correct me if I am wrong on this score.

The current situation is abnormal, because the indult is not universal. So SSPX ordained illicit priests and that is a schism. The universal indult will heal that, because Tridentine and Novus Ordo will coexist as equally accessible in principle rites, just like the situation with the Eastern rites. Of course, some schismatic SSPX members wil probably stay in schism for reasons other than the rite, e.g. sedevacantism or opposition to ecumenism. But these will be few.


17 posted on 09/30/2005 1:24:50 PM PDT by annalex
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To: redgolum
you wrote: Again, as one on the outside it appears that there is a schism already in place, but it hasn't been formalized.

I don't have the quote but supposedly a high ranking Cardinal years ago said that the American church was in de facto schism.

will there be a formal split like Baptists and other Protestant denominations? would liberal bishops pull away and formally declare the Pope's governance nonbinding? I doubt it. Even today the tie to the Holy Father is paramount and any such group might get an initial group but would not get much traction, imho.
28 posted on 09/30/2005 5:15:12 PM PDT by Piers-the-Ploughman
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