Hey, wait a minute... I already concluded that about the priest in my sarcastic reply #40
Posted on 08/27/2005 8:24:10 PM PDT by Bush2004
We just have different styles that's all.
I first deal directly with the guy I have a problem with. Give them a chance. Lean on them a bit.
If it fails, I start working through the heirarchy.
I have no idea why this approach would bother anyone.
I made my points, anyway. G'night to you folks.
goodnight.
I completely agree, with respect to the priest and going on the tangent, and all of that... Absolutely right, FM...
Being a Catholic myself , the "I suspect he's a closet pedophile" lines, are getting really old, really fast... We have ALOT of issues in the Catholic church that I hope the new Pope does address... But, I am tired of watching the press go witch hunting against Catholic priests by splashing front page stories of abuse, while at the same time burying stories of Muslim clerics declaring Jihad against America on page 37...
As I see it, the parent goes home and the 5, 6, or 7 year old asks what's a gay, or homosexual??? So ya hafta tell 'em something and at the same time try to get the message across that it's not acceptable...
But then the kid says to him/herself, Well if the Priest admires the parents of gays, then gays must be good and my parents are wrong...After all, who knows more about what God knows, my parents or the Priest...
Hey, wait a minute... I already concluded that about the priest in my sarcastic reply #40
The words have the same meaning. Context. The soul is the Heavenly body.
I think he has an agenda, as I've discussed a similar issue with him before, and he was dismissive. In fact, he raised his use of language in the bulletin before, and received many responses, so he knows very well that he's speaking to kids in his homilies.
What he said violates this:
(b) Homosexuality should not be discussed before adolescence unless a specific serious problem has arisen in a particular situation. This subject must be presented only in terms of chastity, health and "the truth about human sexuality in its relationship to the family as taught by the Church".
"...deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." (later in the chapter, Paul makes it clear that this applies to Christians living in sin, not the unsaved.)
We are called to withdraw fellowship from Christians who stubbornly refuse to repent of their sin in the hope that their eyes will be opened (the man Paul spoke of later repented and was accepted back into the Church.) It's certainly not an easy or pleasant thing to do, but our priority should be the spiritual and eternal well being (of both the unrepentant Christian and the Church as a whole - allowing sin to remain undealt with in the Church can have a detrimental effect on the whole Body), not the physical and temporal.
OK..happy for ye. Nothing to do with yer PARENTS though...which the initial post addressed.
STAY ON TOPIC PEOPLE.
Well in that case, it sounds like he has little concern for sensibilities. It's easy to beat aorund the bush and convey the message, so the kid's are limited to a certain scope of tragedy. He could easily just refer to all those parents in San Francisco, or something. If he really is so belligerent about it, I suspect an agenda.
I agree with you. This needs to be discussed at length with the higher-ups.
Bush2004 answers: As a Catholic, we love the sinner, hate the sin. It's not being homosexual that is sinful, its acting out your homosexual urges that is wrong. Thus, someone who lives a chaste life as a homosexual is not sinning in any way. That's what I'd tell my son.
Exactly! Here's another way to look at it: Happygal, suppose your son is married and one day decides to "come out" of his monogamy. He has discovered, much to his shock, that his wife is not the only attractive woman in the world. This is of course not his fault. He was created this way. No one chooses their sexual urges, for pity's sake! He didn't choose to be attracted to others. It would be an ideal world if his wife were the only female on the planet that looked sexually appealing to him, but that's just not the way it turned out.
So, let's suppose that your son decides to act on these urges. After all, he was created with these urges, so wouldn't he be "Living A Lie" if he didn't follow through on them and cheat on his wife? In order to "Be True To Oneself" he would have to commit adultery, right?
So how would you handle this? Would you tell him, "Well, I guess the bottom line is that you gotta be True To Yourself!" Would you advise him to "come out of the monogamy closet"? Or would you tell him that this is very wrong? And if you choose the latter, surely, if you searched hard enough, you would be able to find some way to express your disapproval without "shunning" him as you put it, or "never speaking to him again".
Surely, if you are a parent, you have by now found plenty of ways to love your kids while disapproving of certain behaviors? Could you find some way to tell your son that although being sexually attracted to thousands of other women is not his fault, it's not a sin if he chooses to NOT act out his urges?
Is it the worst thing in the world every time someone chooses to not satisfy their urges? If you suddenly find yourself with an extreme urge to use your vehicle to kill the person who just cut you off, are you "being false to yourself" to NOT kill them? Is it a major tragedy every time someone with an urge to have sex with a child chooses to not satisfy their urges? How about each time a recovering alcoholic or smoker fights back against the powerful urge to have a drink or a cigarette --- is that such a crying shame that they choose to "stay in their closets"?
The concept of living a chaste life was explained to the Principal one day, after he appeared to express no concern whatsoever about homosexual behavior. You used adultery and other conduct, we used pre-marital sex, as an analogy. Only then did he understand it. We got by, but your wisdom will help us in the future. Thank you.
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