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1 posted on 08/23/2005 8:20:49 AM PDT by sionnsar
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2 posted on 08/23/2005 8:21:46 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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I would suggest that if they (illegal immmigrants) need help haul ass down to Mexico as a missionary and help them. I am not quite as benevolent as the Epis. church. If they want to be generous let em do it with their congregations funds not mine.


3 posted on 08/23/2005 8:34:50 AM PDT by Sterco
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This is my problem with liberals. They can never just use their own funds to promote what they see as social good. They are constantly trying to use the state to force their neighbor to shoulder the burdens they dream up.

By the way, do you think these Episcopal leaders are going to get slimed for trying to mix politics and religion? Of course not, because the dirty secret is that the elites are perfectly happy with harnessing religion so long as it suits their agenda. We all know what would have been done to a Falwell type if he advocated closing the borders.

That any church would try to bowl over their congregations to support the OBL position shows you how desperate they have become. And, note well, we have the same old stupid racist crap thrown out. A lot of folks on here fall for that argument, too.

Don't give me that Mississippi in the sixties crap. Illegal Immigration is the new slavery in America. If you're going to accuse me of that kind of thought, I am going to liken you to the greedy plantation owner who did not want to pay ordinary folks a fair wage to pick your cotton. Switch it from cotton to lettuce and you've got it exactly.

What is this about the need for this issue to be depoliticized? We are talking about changing laws here. That would seem to me to necessarily involve politics.

I would never be able to finish my rant here without noting that these people are claiming to do this in the name of Christ. Really? Christ said love thy neighbor, not exploit thy neighbor. The Bible says to take up your cross, not take up your cross and put it on the back of another. With regard to paying taxes and obedience of laws, Christ said to render unto Caesar what belonged to Caesar and to God what was God's. Do you want to learn about illegal immigration? I think if you read the Old Testament a certain way regarding the Israelites fleeing to Egypt, you might just get the impression that they could have immigrated illegally and eventually turned into slaves.

I don't cry for illegals dying in the desert as much as I do for the mainstream Churches (I am a Catholic and suitable embarassed about how they pander to illegals as well) who have been infiltrated by a bunch of left-wing zealots. If they keep it up, these churches will no longer be the mainstream in America.


4 posted on 08/23/2005 8:53:42 AM PDT by AZ_Cowboy ("Be ever vigilant, for you know not when the master is coming")
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The loony liberal left in the ELCA got a pro-"immigrant" resolution passed in our CWA as well.

These "human rightsers" call it cultural genocide when China overewhelms Tibet with hordes of Han Chinese "immigrants". But when the greedy politicans and rogue corporations that live on "immigrant" votes or substandard wages overwhelm European-Americans and their culture with hordes of Third World "immigrants", the "human rightsers" say that anyone who opposes this cultural innundation is a BIGOT!!!!

Cultural genocide is cultural genocide! Stop the Third-Worldization of America!!!!

8 posted on 08/23/2005 8:39:05 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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THE OLD TESTAMENT POLICY ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: And the Gileadites seized the passages of the Jordan before the Ephraimites; and it was so, that when those Ephraimites who had escaped said, "Let me go over," that the men of Gilead said unto him, "Art thou an Ephraimite?" If he said, "Nay," then said they unto him, "Say now 'Shibboleth.'" And he said "Sibboleth," for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him and slew him at the passages of the Jordan; and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand. (Judges 12:5-6, King James Version of the Bible)


9 posted on 08/24/2005 8:24:35 AM PDT by stan_sipple
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