[hummingbird]

Thanks for this post, sionnsar. I get into so many dustups on this issue. Since I don't have a handle on the correct theology, thanks to ECUSA, and thanks to my own shortcomings in study, I always fall back on this.

"By their fruits you shall know them." Matthew 7:16

"...Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." Luke 1:42b

I think I'm backing into an argument and it satisfies me but never convinces anyone else. Where can I turn for a substantive argument for the role of Mary in Salvation History? TIA, y'all!

[sionnsar]

ping to #9

[Alkhin]

It is probably irrelevant, but it is my understanding that the Nicene Creed was established to once and for all eliminate heresy of Christ's direct incarnation as holy through the BVM in the last statement of the first declaration.

[NYer]

I think I'm backing into an argument and it satisfies me but never convinces anyone else. Where can I turn for a substantive argument for the role of Mary in Salvation History?

IS MARY THE "COREDEMPTRIX"?

[Frank Sheed]

Catholic Answers is always a good place to start. Here is the URL:

http://www.catholic.com/library/mary_saints.asp

Also, the book by Fr. John Trigilio is quite marvelous. Pardon the title but he called it "Catholicism for Dummies." It is condensed but easy to read. The 2nd Edition of the Catechism is also replete with Scriptural references. These are all good places to start. Personally, the Church Fathers are mentioned over and over again as the thing that influenced people on the journey on the "Coming Home Network" with Marcus Grodi. I highly recommend them as well.

Frank

[Frank Sheed]

Forgot the excellent Dave Armstrong site!

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZINDEX.HTM