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1 posted on 04/10/2005 8:33:55 AM PDT by sionnsar
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Seems its not just the Scottish Episcopal clergy that's a bit restive these days...


2 posted on 04/10/2005 8:35:41 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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If the Church wants celibate priests, its best shot might be to require that they get married.

(Just kidding, just kidding.) ;-)

3 posted on 04/10/2005 8:38:22 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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80 polled out of 800 and so,32 say they should be allowed to marry and 17 say the church should relax its ban on contraception and the ordination of homosexual clergy.

It's a landslide.

4 posted on 04/10/2005 8:48:37 AM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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Then these ARE NOT CATHOLIC. It means something to be Catholic, it doesn't mean our Faith should be watered down, degraded and well everyone use the title Catholic and do as they please...Christ is the same, yesterday, today and forever..don't degrade the deaths of the Millons of Martyrs who died for the Catholic Faith throughout the beginning, of the Catholic Faith.
In 1864,the Blessed Mother Mary, told Melanie,one whom she appeared to..and this is an official vision of Mary, long approved by the Catholic Church, and quoted.." In 1864, Lucifer together with a large number of demons will be unloosed from hell,they will put an end to the Faith little by little,even in those dedicated to God,They will blind them in such a way,that unless they are blessed with a special grace,these people will take on the spirit of the angels of hell;several religious institutions will lose ALL faith and will lose many souls...." and she warned the people of what would become of the Cathoilc Faith..and this is part of a long explanation.....Yes, to be Catholic has a meaning and has a purpose and no one can just do or say as they please and remain a TRUE CATHOLIC>> God help us all.


5 posted on 04/10/2005 9:30:44 AM PDT by Rosary (Pray the Rosary daily)
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I'd like to see the demographic break down on that supposed "Poll". I would venture a guess that the older post Vatican II dissenters would be a large part of the "Yes" men.

The seminaries are full of JJPII inspired young men who seek to be married to the church! The goodness of this Pope is still yet to be realized, there is a quiet revolution going on out here in the hinterlands and the gates of Hell will not prevail!


7 posted on 04/10/2005 9:53:50 AM PDT by CincinnatiKid (Go Thou, GO thou, thy hence and of this world report you will and truly... Jack Kerouac)
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To: sionnsar

I'd like to see the demographic break down on that supposed "Poll". I would venture a guess that the older post Vatican II dissenters would be a large part of the "Yes" men.

The seminaries are full of JJPII inspired young men who seek to be married to the church! The goodness of this Pope is still yet to be realized, there is a quiet revolution going on out here in the hinterlands and the gates of Hell will not prevail!


8 posted on 04/10/2005 9:54:37 AM PDT by CincinnatiKid (Go Thou, GO thou, thy hence and of this world report you will and truly... Jack Kerouac)
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Among the other findings of the survey, 20% of priests said they would support the ordination of women priests and 26% favoured allowing openly gay men to be priests — but only if they remain celibate.

How about if they remain celibate every other Tuesday? I mean, if we're going to start something, let's look and see where it's going. (And anywhere the Church of England is still lingering on, that should not be tough to do.)

14 posted on 04/10/2005 10:34:23 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: sionnsar

That still leaves 60% that have a different opinion, as if this was a popular referendum. 40% need to look for other work.


15 posted on 04/10/2005 11:47:34 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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"Following the death of Pope John Paul II last weekend, a Sunday Times survey has revealed widespread support for a more liberal line to be taken by his successor."

This statement is sheer BS and is not even supported by their own statistics. Clearly from the figures presented here, the majority do not want any change on these doctrines and disciplines.

I am amazed that only 1 in 5 of those responding (or selected) for the poll wanted to change the Church's teaching on contraception. If around 80% of the priests in one of the most liberal hierarchies in the Catholic Church support the Church's teaching on contraception and 100% of them on abortion, then this is very good news indeed.

It goes to show how unrepresentative our liberal episcopates are of the clergy generally.

It is also very good news that only 1 in 5 support women's ordination, and only 1 in 4 support homosexual ordination. Things are in much better shape than I thought, and, in the priesthood at least, the liberals are very much in the minority.


29 posted on 04/10/2005 5:22:05 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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23% of them say the church should relax its ban on contraception ...— none said that the church should drop its opposition to abortion.

Gentlemen, can you say abortafacient? Do you now what it means? If you purport to be rational human beings, please keep your line of thought consistent.

36 posted on 04/11/2005 9:02:08 AM PDT by siunevada
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