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This may have been posted back in 2002, if so, it is worth another look.

I will hold your people in my heart. (What IS the derivation of that phrase?)

I was shocked to see the 2005 Music Issue from OCP had Adoro Te Devote with both Latin and the Hopkins English translation. I'm still waiting to see it listed when I walk in for Mass. I hesitate to mention it. I mentioned that I was glad to be able to sing Panis Angelicus after one Mass and we haven't had it again for two years.

1 posted on 01/18/2005 10:13:40 AM PST by siunevada
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Yeah, I have to admit that the protestants seem to have the corner on church music although I do like "The Canticle of the Turning."


2 posted on 01/18/2005 10:21:57 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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As a twenty-something Roman Catholic, I have to ask, what is wrong with Eagles Wings, and Here I am Lord, and City of God?

I grew up with the hymnal "Glory and Praise". The Church I considered my home still has blue Glory and Praise hymnals. So for some of us, we don't really know what is the difference. Those are the songs that for me define Catholic, compared to some Protestant songs.

The Church I currently go to has Mass books with the Mass and the songs in the same book.

Please explain whats wrong with the above songs. I'll reply later, but I have to go to work now. So I'll see your response, but not for several hours.


3 posted on 01/18/2005 11:26:12 AM PST by GopherGOPer
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I knew I shouldn't have looked at this post...now that danged "On Eagle's Wings" is running around polluting my head.

Regards,


4 posted on 01/18/2005 11:26:20 AM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: siunevada

Fuhgeddabahit. However, you could go and ask for it - but don't hold your breath.

My sister works as a music director in an Episcopal church that hired her because she plays the organ and is also well-versed in Gregorian chant, traditional Catholic music, etc. Catholic churches, on the other hand, have no interest in this, and when she has applied for local Catholic church positions, they tell her they want somebody who likes "contemporary" music - Marty Haugen and the St. Louis Jesuits, for example.

Of course, these guys haven't been "contemporary" for 40 years now, but neither has Father or the aging and reduced parish council, so I guess that's okay with them.


10 posted on 01/18/2005 2:38:41 PM PST by livius
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The fundies hate us Catholics because we can go and gamble and drink at the church and have fun....


15 posted on 01/18/2005 4:56:43 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (I'll never have that recipe again.......)
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Some contemporary Catholic music is very good such as John Michael Talbott. It seems the traditional music is out the door- while the middle age to older croud prefers the "gather" (The worst song is taste and see), type music- Most younger Catholics now want the evangelical fundamentalist rock music.


18 posted on 01/18/2005 5:48:13 PM PST by Fast Ed97
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I'm in the choir of my ECUSA parish (bass-baritone). I'm pretty good at sight-reading. I went to my wife's uncle's funeral, as a pall-bearer, at a local Catholic parish. When the first hymn came up, I opened up the hymnal (noting that it was in unison; the 4 parts weren't written in) and started to sing. Just about everyone else there was Catholic.

The first thing I noted was that I was the only one singing. The second thing I noted was that there was a good reason for that; the hymn was just about unsingable unless you, like the church musician, didn't mind sounding like a hotel lounge singer. I tried joining in on the second hymn and gave it up as a bad job.

My wife interrupted me in the car as we left; "I know, the music is terrible." I told her, "Put a baseball bat in my coffin. If the musician starts playing 'Wind Beneath My Wings' as my coffin is wheeled down the aisle, I want you to grab it and whack him with it until he stops."

Say what you will about the ECUSA, but the music is a lot more amenable to a spiritual approach to God than what I heard that day.


20 posted on 01/18/2005 9:00:11 PM PST by RonF
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The songs I see in the missals suck major you know what. Lots of I, me, and we in the songs. Sadly, looks like half of them are protestant songs anyway.


32 posted on 01/19/2005 5:00:12 AM PST by Conservative til I die
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End the "folk music mass" BUMP!!!!


46 posted on 01/19/2005 7:14:22 PM PST by WhiteGuy (The Constitution requires no interpretation, only enforcement.)
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One Sunday a few months ago I was kneeling giving thanks to our Lord for His Body and Blood. And as our Church does they have a communion hymn throughout communion. If one is not enough they break out another. To my amazement, I heard the following song sung and it took my concentration away from what I was doing.

I had heard the following sung by Eddy Arnold in 1950 and it was a hit. The real problem is that the choir did not do it justice. They should have left it in Arnold's hands.

Following is some background on the song (hymn). It sure is not Catholic by any means.

Precious Lord Take My Hand

"The Precious Lord Story and Gospel Songs" By Thomas A. Dorsey

In 1921 at the National Baptist Convention in Chicago, I heard a Professor Nix and saw him raise that huge audience singing a religious song, "I Do, Don't You." I was converted in that meeting and said that is the type of music I would like to do. At that time I was a jazz musician playing piano in wine rooms and buffet flats up and down State Street.

There were no gospel songs then, they were called evangelistic songs. After writing three or four songs of this kind, the National Baptist Publishing Board published two of my songs, one in the Gospel book and the other in the Baptist Hymnal which was circulated in a big way nationally and is still being circulated to this day.

I wanted to change it to Blessed Lord, Take My Hand, but Professor Frye said "No, call him Precious Lord." This is the greatest song I have written out of near four hundred, exceeding the new two hundred blues and jazz songs written in my sinful days. "Precious Lord" has been translated into more than thirty-two different languages and republished in many foreign countries.

I have sung and directed this song in Paris, London, Rome, Athens, Cairo, Damascus, Beirut and Jerusalem. It was well accepted when I was in the West Indies Islands. It has been recorded by such top artists as: Redd Foley, Eddie Arnold, Mahalia Jackson, Elvis Presley, Fred Waring and many other top stars.
82 posted on 01/23/2005 10:08:42 PM PST by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed. Pray for our own souls to receive the grace of a happy)
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