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To: thor76

Well said thor76.

Although, Fr Martin also pointed out many times that JPII's strength was always his patience and longevity, that was how he was able to outlast communism. His attitude has always been to bide his time and allow the enemy to destroy himself. Fr Martin thought that he was attempting to do exactly rhis in regards to the enemies within the Church. However, it became icreasingly clear that this approach would not work against a different enemy. Fr Martin became more and more outspoken on this matter before he died and indeed was very impatient towards JPII. He even had a private meeting with the Pope, "filling his eyes and ears" with the evidence of what was ocurring. He was rebuffed.

After this, he became increasingly apocolyptic, watching for signs in the heavens. It really seems to me that he hoped that we were in the end times, his sadness at the condition of the Church was unbearable.


9 posted on 01/18/2005 2:32:58 PM PST by Catholic54321
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To: Catholic54321

I would agree that Fr. Martin did indeed try personally, and via friends to inform and warn the Pope of the reality of what was going on - and was indeed rebuffed.

So, yes, it is true that the Pope had a plan, based upon his own mindset and former experieces in Poland which he thought would work.......and did not and are not working. It is a much different and all pervasive enemy he is battling. Unlike Poland, he does not have some 85% of his countrymen behind him.

Personally, I agree that he did indeed think that we are in the "end times" - the end of this age, not necessarily of he world. I happen to agree with him. He did indeed counsel Catholics to "watch the skies". That much is Scriptural - and very much on target, as we are seeing increasing signs in nature and in the heavens that all is not well.

Yes, he was very, very sad at the condition of the church. I will make the guess that much of his sadness is not so much at the decadence of the clergy (though that alone is cause for much weeping), but that of the slumber of the laity. They sleep long and deeply, and will not awaken.

The point being that if the leaders are corrupt, one would normally expect the common man to rise up in indignation and do something positive. That is certainly not happening - and what of it is happening is on a tragicly small scale.


10 posted on 01/18/2005 2:54:04 PM PST by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux !)
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