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To: HarleyD
Whew! This is a real sluggard trying to read this. I will say the following comment: "III. This doctrine was never admitted, decreed, or approved in any Council, either general or particular, for the first six hundred years after Christ. is untrue. Augustine wrote the A Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints

Arminius did not say the topic was not discussed, he said no Council made it a tenet of orthodox faith.

30 posted on 01/14/2005 3:53:07 AM PST by fortheDeclaration
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To: fortheDeclaration; Frumanchu
After rereading this article I see yours and Frumanchu point. Supralapsarians was indeed never formally accepted by any council although it has always been discussed throughout the church.

I looked into this a little more closely. Calvinists hold three views on this; the supralapsarian, the infralapsarian, the sublapsarian. Arminius only mentions the one (supralapsarian) and never the others in this article. Probably because he took the infralapsarian view and made a slight but significant modification (nullifying God's election of men) so that it fit with his views. A good summary (although its a little harsh on the supralapsarian view) of these views can be found at The Order of Elective Decrees

I guess I've never really thought about the order of the decrees. I'll have to look into this a tad more closer.

31 posted on 01/14/2005 5:31:11 AM PST by HarleyD
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