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Well, Rodney, as you can tell from some of the posts in this thread, when people place a premium upon the traditions of men and/or the peculiar teachings of their denomination, it begins to muddy the water.

As Paul said in Colossians,

"Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God...Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. (Col 2:18-19, 3:1-4)

Jesus is all you need. Don't let anyone place their teachings, or any intermediary, between you and Christ.

"Unless you eat my body and drink my blood, you will have no life in you" --Jesus
"And my body is real food, and my blood is real drink" --Jesus

"This sort of talk is hard to take! How can this man give us his body to eat and his blood to drink?" --those who walked away from him.

Do those who do not eat His precious body and blood have life in them? Hmmm... What did Jesus say about that? I know I could not come up with a difinitife case-by-case answer for that. Jesus is infinitely loving and infinitely just and infinitely merciful. That throws a wrench into the works that is infinitely too much for me to figure out, but He said we would have no life in us if we did not partake of that holy sacrifice and meal of REAL food and drink. You decide what to do about that, my friend.

Jesus is all you need. Don't let anyone place their teachings, or any intermediary, between you and Christ.

Thanks, I guess I am trying to figure out if the RC church is an intermediary, or a helping hand.