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To: JHavard
I have in front of me, Stone's Edition of the Chumash, the Art Scroll Series, and in Genesis 9:9-17 in the written Torah, it's almost verbatim with my KJV, so I'm not sure what your saying here.

Noachide Laws courtesy of Aish.com

The Jewish idea is that the Torah of Moses is a truth for all humanity, whether Jewish or not. The Torah (as explained in the Talmud - Sanhedrin 58b) presents seven mitzvot for non-Jews to observe. These seven laws are the pillars of human civilization, and are named the "Seven Laws of Noah," since all humans are descended from Noah. They are:

  1. Do not murder.
  2. Do not steal.
  3. Do not worship false gods.
  4. Do not be sexually immoral.
  5. Do not eat the limb of an animal before it is killed.
  6. Do not curse God.
  7. Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.

Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these laws earns a proper place in heaven. So you see, the Torah is for all humanity, no conversion necessary.

As well, when King Solomon built the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, he specifically asked God to heed the prayer of non-Jews who come to the Temple (1-Kings 8:41-43). The Temple was the universal center of spirituality, which the prophet Isaiah referred to as a "house for all nations." The service in the Holy Temple during the week of Sukkot featured a total of 70 bull offerings, corresponding to each of the 70 nations of the world. In fact, the Talmud says if the Romans would have realized how much they were benefiting from the Temple, they never would have destroyed it!

Today, there are many active groups of non-Jews called "B'nai Noach" who faithfully observe the Seven Laws of Noah.

There is an excellent book on the topic, called:
"The Path of the Righteous Gentile"
by Chaim Clorfene and Yakov Rogalsky.

However, let's also review the text you mention Gen. 9:8-17, which states (NAS), " 8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9 "Now behold, I Myself do establish My covenant with you, and with your descendants after you; 10and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that comes out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. 11 "I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth."

12 God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I am making between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all successive generations; 13 I set My bowin the cloud, and it shall be for a sign of a covenant between Me and the earth. 14 "It shall come about, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow will be seen in the cloud, 15 and I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall the water become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 "When the bow is in the cloud, then I will look upon it, to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth." 17 And God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth."

Where is G-d's call upon Noah to not to eat animal parts, to set up courts of justice, etc. from this text? These things are alluded to in other texts but only in the Talmud are they spelt out.

I find it interesting that someone who claims to believe in Yeshua would rather follow the traditions of men (Talmud) rather than the Word of G-d as revealed in Torah.

172 posted on 11/22/2004 1:28:41 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats-- PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Tamar1973
Where is G-d's call upon Noah to not to eat animal parts, to set up courts of justice, etc. from this text? These things are alluded to in other texts but only in the Talmud are they spelt out.

They’re right here in the good old KJV

Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.V-6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed:

I find it interesting that someone who claims to believe in Yeshua would rather follow the traditions of men (Talmud) rather than the Word of G-d as revealed in Torah.

I’m under the New Covenant that Christ died to give the world, which Covenant are you under? Are you intending to work your way to Gods kingdom? I’m not sure where your coming from in some of your statements.

My Bible is the KJV, it’s not perfect, but it’s been dissected from every angle, and has stood the test of time, so if you intend to debate translations, don’t expect me to join you.

JH :)

177 posted on 11/22/2004 8:46:43 PM PST by JHavard
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