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The Danger of Centering Prayer by Rev. John D. Dreher
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Posted on 10/15/2004 12:51:26 PM PDT by fishtank

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I ran into it a couple of years ago at a parish held Lenten 'retreat'. Fr. John Burchill, OP and Sr. Barbara Metz SnD taught the 'class' which took place in the church itself.

Sr. Metz asked us to close our eyes and meditate on Jesus while saying a 'mantra' over and over again. It could be any word at all, religious or secular. In a sing song low voice she went on about imagining Jesus walking towards us, dressed in 'either traditional biblical garb' or 'a new sweatshirt and levi jeans' whichever made us feel more comfortable. He sits down beside us and hugs us and looks into our eyes... blah, blah, blah.

Anyway, my feeling was one of alarm because this was basically a hypnotizing excercise putting us on the same level as our Saviour. I just watched the nun, amazed at this absolute crap she was spewing. It was the same TM garbage that some of my friends studied in the 70s but she inserted the name Jesus in it. The whole thing is to wipe out what is all around you and bring you to your 'center' so we can commune with Jesus Christ and reach a totally new level. No suffering, no 'dry' times, no building up to new understanding through years of prayer and sacrifice, instant gratification if you will.

Not surprisingly, this nun and priest also teach the enneagram and have authored a book on it. They are also practicers of 'kything' which is spiritually communing with someone no matter where that person is. It's all self awareness designed to get to know ourselves better.

I've seen a priest (older, they all are) teach this stuff on Boston Catholic Television and I wrote a letter to the priest who runs the tv station (another reason not to give $) to explain why this centering prayer is not Catholic. I got a very curt letter basically telling me that I was wrong and that many people love it.

Hey, all I know is that when Jesus was asked how we should pray, he taught the "Our Father" which, when you think about it, keeps us aware of each other as children of God and is completely lacking in 'I'.

I've read the original "centering prayer" book by Fr. Basil Pennington and it is really a rehash of Eastern spirituality. Here's something that Fr. Mitch Pacwa (used to practice centering prayer) "The technique is still one where you put the intellect on "hold." You know, you dismiss all thoughts, you know, hold on to no thoughts, react to no thoughts, retain no thoughts. These are some of his [Pennington's] phrases. And why? The rational mind is one of the characteristic gifts of what it means to be a human being. And I don't see Christ ever saying, you know, stop thinking, stop using reason, clear your mind. He never taught that."

21 posted on 10/15/2004 4:16:28 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: COBOL2Java
However, I would mention that contemplative prayer could be misunderstood as coming from this same centering prayer tradition. This is not the case. The Carmelites have been practicing contemplative prayer, as have many other religious orders (Carthusians, Poor Clares, etc.) for a very long time. I can speak of the Carmelite tradition and point to St. John of the Cross for such a tradition.

I agree and this is where the 'centering' people confuse... they mix both up and point to some of the saints who were contemplatives.

22 posted on 10/15/2004 4:18:52 PM PDT by american colleen
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Hi Colleen@

Contemplatives were always on a journey away from self, though, as opposed to a journey into the self.

(long time no talk; hope you and your family are well) V's wife.


23 posted on 10/15/2004 5:49:05 PM PDT by ventana
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To: ventana

Should be Hi Colleen! not @ :)


24 posted on 10/15/2004 5:49:48 PM PDT by ventana
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To: Maximilian

thanks for the ping. good article. I'll print it up for the local church that's naively passing out brochures on CP. always knew it was dangerous.


25 posted on 10/15/2004 6:30:30 PM PDT by GOP_Thug_Mom (O, Sacred Heart of Jesus, Have Mercy On Us!)
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To: fishtank
This article is so excellent. Thank you for posting it.

Centering prayer differs from Christian prayer in that the intent of the technique is to bring the practitioner to the center of his own being. There he is, supposedly, to experience the presence of the God who indwells him. Christian prayer, on the contrary, centers upon God in a relational way, as someone apart from oneself.

This explains the difference between centering "prayer" and relational prayer so very clearly. As Christians we are in a relationship with God, even though He becomes one with us, He remains distinct. Prayer is our response to Him; He is the Source, the One who draws near to us that we may draw near to Him.

Centering prayer is becoming so rampant in the religious echelons of the church, and spreading among the laity. It promotes a psuedo-spirituality centered on oneself. It needs to be exposed for what it is. I hope in this year of the Eucharist, more people will be drawn to Eucharistic Adoration where true relational prayer can take place.

26 posted on 10/15/2004 8:10:31 PM PDT by Dusty Rose
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To: fishtank
fishtank

Would one or more of you please share your knowledge of a correct way to "pray". I stay with the Mass, rosary and Divine Mercy prayers. Outside of that I'm afraid to venture.

Over time, (in the past) I have heard sermons or read articles of what the 'Our Father' really says, but of course when you're looking for something you can never find it *s*. I hang onto the 'Our Father' because it's in the Bible, Mass, and "forgive us our trespasses, *as* we forgive those who trespass against us," (<-- that statement alone gives me chills, but when I am having a problem I go over and over this one line (sometimes for days on end) and it really helps me to forgive.)

Thank you for posting the article on "centering prayer", for me this is not the right way. I know not to "empty" my mind and "open the door".

I do not post very often, but I do read most of the post in the "religion" section at Free Republic. (funny, I get more from here than I do in most the Churches in my area)

Thank you in advance.

roamer
27 posted on 10/15/2004 10:26:34 PM PDT by roamer
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Tan Books has several books on prayer, two I noticed by St. Alphonsus Liguori and St. Francis de Sales.

http://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/page/shop:browse/category_id/26/


28 posted on 10/16/2004 12:30:00 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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Thank you. I will be ordering this one tomorrow (The Sermons of St. Francis de Sales On Prayer)

roamer


29 posted on 10/16/2004 2:23:49 AM PDT by roamer
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To: Aliska; fishtank
Thank you. I thought it sounded a little like St. Teresa of Avila and her "interior castle". Maybe there are similarities

The important difference with St. Teresa of Avila is, as a Carmelite, she had a grounding in the Rule of St. Albert, which first and foremost emphasizes Sacred Scripture:

Each one of you is to stay in his own cell or nearby, pondering the Lord's law day and night and keeping watch at his prayers unless attending to some other duty.
The Carmelite Rule of St. Albert, Chapter 11

Your loins are to be girt with chastity, your breast fortified by holy meditations, for, as Scripture has it, holy meditation will save you. Put on holiness as your breastplate, and it will enable you to love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and strength, and your neighbour as yourself. Faith must be your shield on all occasions, and with it you will be able to quench all the flaming missiles of the wicked one: there can be no pleasing God without faith; [and the victory lies in this -- your faith]. On your head set the helmet of salvation, and so be sure of deliverance by our only Saviour, who sets his own free from their sins. The sword of the spirit, the word of God, must abound in your mouths and hearts. Let all you do have the Lord's word for accompaniment.
Chapter 19

In addition, the Rule stresses community life, making sure that the members of the community don't spend their time, for lack of a better term, "contemplating their navels":
An oratory should be built as conveniently as possible among the cells, where, if it can be done without difficulty, you are to gather each morning to hear Mass.
Chapter 14

On Sundays too, or other days if necessary, you should discuss matters of discipline and your spiritual welfare; and on this occasion the indiscretions and failings of the brothers, if any be found at fault, should be lovingly corrected.
Chapter 15

You must give yourselves to work of some kind, so that the devil may always find you busy; no idleness on your part must give him a chance to pierce the defences of your souls. In this respect you have both the teaching and the example of Saint Paul the Apostle, into whose mouth Christ put his own words. God made him preacher and teacher of faith and truth to the nations: with him as your leader you cannot go astray. We lived among you, he said, labouring and wary, toiling night and day so as not to be a burden to any of you; not because we had no power to do otherwise but so as to give you, in your own selves, an example you might imitate. For the charge we gave you when we were with you was this: that woever is not willing to work should not be allowed to eat either. For we have heard that there are certain restless idlers among you. We charge people of this kind, and implore them in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they earn their own bread by silent toil. This is the way of holiness and goodness: see that you follow it.
Chapter 20

As I'd mentioned in an earlier post, Carmelites practice contemplative prayer in the spirit of St. Elias. Centering prayer seeks to go within oneself to turn away from the world. In contrast, contemplative prayer, thoroughly grounded in God's Word, seeks to quiet the body and soul for the purpose, not of going inside, but for the purpose of going outside, to listen to God and to each other (see 1 Kings 19: 9-14; and 1 Samuel 3: 7-10).
30 posted on 10/16/2004 6:51:06 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Don't tell my mother I work for CBS. She thinks I'm a towel boy in a bordello.)
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To: fishtank

I went to a woman's book group at my Catholic church. "Imagine you are leaning back against a tree - it is supporting you - its roots are running deep into the ground and its branches high over head. Feel the roots going deep into the ground..."
Candles. A little bubbling fountain. Incense. branches and flowers like a pagan alter. A participant who said she is getting her doctorate and studying Kali!!!! this woman has a child in the parish school and is a communion minister.

The pastor is a very good man, a good priest, and orthodox. I told him about the book the group was using by Sister somebody and he did not seem too concerned. The pastoral associate stopped working for the parish a year or so later.
It bugs the h*** out of me that the parish does not even have a supportive intercessory mother's prayer group because no sufficiently credetialled or sufficiently known to the pastor person has stepped up to lead it - but this feminist pagan "professional" was getting away with sacrilege in the rectory basement because she had the credentials for it.

The church leaders can be such control freaks and I understand them not wanting strange things happening in the name of the church but the strange things are happening anyway.

Mrs VS


31 posted on 10/16/2004 8:01:33 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Maximilian

Thanks for the ping.

A truly dangerous "technique"


32 posted on 10/16/2004 9:22:00 AM PDT by Selous
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To: Aliska
I like your explanation of the Lord's prayer. You can't go wrong with that as an outward directed (or upward) prayer. If God wants to go within, He can get in if I let Him.

I think that says it all. How to let God come in without forcing the issue is the secret. Any other way invites something/someone else to enter.

St. Theresa of Avilla is a case in point (already made). She describes ways of achieving perfection that entails going deep within. If you get God, then good for you, you succeeded. Otherwise, what else might be lurking in there, including your own imagination, or whatever label the new age puts on it.

Might not repetitive prayer, such as the Rosary, and even Gregorian chant be included in this centering technique? And might they not have been introduced for the same reasons? The technique is almost exactly the same.

33 posted on 10/16/2004 9:58:05 AM PDT by Arguss (Take the narrow road)
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To: fishtank

This article reminds me of conversations I recently had with a relative.
We are both catholics and strive to be obedient to church teachings.
We clashed on this "centering prayer" issue.
The issue of Thomas Merton came up. I don't know much about Thomas Merton, but it appeared to me that his influence had convinced my relative that delving into eastern meditation practices is acceptable.
This article is helpful - although I doubt it will "trump" Thomas Merton in my conversations with this man.


34 posted on 10/16/2004 9:59:09 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: roamer
I can't do much better than what Cobol2Java wrote in #30.

"The important difference with St. Teresa of Avila is, as a Carmelite, she had a grounding in the Rule of St. Albert, which first and foremost emphasizes Sacred Scripture:

Each one of you is to stay in his own cell or nearby, pondering the Lord's law day and night and keeping watch at his prayers unless attending to some other duty. The Carmelite Rule of St. Albert, Chapter 11"

One could start with the Lord's Prayer, and then from there study every single prayer mentioned in the New Testament. (The Gospel of John is a great place to start, especially with the 'High Priestly Prayer' of Jesus where He was praying in the garden.

One thing also, I agree with so many of the others here who have said that contemplative prayer is NOT 'centering prayer'.

"Be still and wait on the Lord" is NOT getting "in touch with the God within you".

35 posted on 10/16/2004 2:35:52 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

I both disagree and agree with the author.

Having read the comments posted, I would just like to point out some things:
1.It is indeed correct that we are in relationship with God, and that God is distinct from us. But to say that God does not dwell within us is contrary to Jesus' own words in John's Gospel, for example 14:23. God indeed lives in us, and we in him. Jesus says that he and the Father love us, and make their home in us. We must be careful in this, because if we take the idea of God being separate from us too far, we may begin to conclude that God is also out of our reach, or to a form of Jansenistic heresy wherein we have to appease God, when in fact God invites us to pray to him unceasingly, not only in adoration, but also in times of need, and to receive his free offer of forgiveness and love. We need only look to the Psalms and the Our Father to see how God teaches us to pray. We are called to pray to Him in sincerity of heart, truthfully expressing our feelings, and trusting in His love and mercy.
2. It is correct to say that any spirituality that reduces itself to navel gazing is dangerous. But knowledge of self is an essential part of any true spirituality. The Church recognizes this, and this is why we are invited to do an examination of conscience at the end of the day, and why the sacrament of reconciliation is so essential to our lives as Catholics. EVERYONE is called to know themselves. Teresa of Avila, John of the Cross, and all of the great Catholic mystics have said this. Francis de Sales, one of our most beloved, holy and human saints said that to serve and love God is to be yourself, and to be it well. The Church herself teaches us that we ultimately answer to our consciences, because that is where God speaks to us in our inmost being. See the Vatican II documents for reference to this. Now, one must have an informed conscience to be able to do this, but this is a separate matter for discussion.
3. It is correct to say that while all good prayer should be directed toward God, it should not be done with the intention of "getting" God. However, prayer in itself is not dangerous. It is how we use it. I agree with the author that if the centering prayer is used simply to come to some higher consciousness of self, then it is a danger, but the Jesus prayer, which uses the same technique, can actually help us to recall that we are in the presence of God. We need only look to the Scriptures to see the truth of this. Recall that the Pharisees were so worried about having purified vessels to observe kashrut, but Jesus said they should be worried about the inside of the cup, meaning themselves. In the same way, the rosary can be a "dangerous" prayer, if it is not prayed properly. I recall the story of two women who prayed the rosary loudly through Mass because they were instructed by the Bayside visionary that Mass not celebrated in Latin was a tool of the devil. When we are not disposed to God, then any form of prayer, even Mass becomes dangerous, because it can make us self-righteous, and we can try to use God to make ourselves or our way of thinking more important than Him.
4. There is an underlying assumption that the European way of personal prayer, i.e., Rosary, Divine Mercy, is the only form of personal devotional prayer. Please do not misunderstand me. These are very good and important prayers that I myself also pray. But our Christian brothers and sisters in India, for example employ yoga techniques in prayer, and our Eastern brothers and sisters employ some Buddhist principles in their prayer. Does this make them somehow against the Church or against Christ? Not at all. We need only recognize that the Church in those areas is growing by leaps and bounds, and that they have tremendous numbers of vocations to the religious life and priesthood, of men and women who are dedicated to living in Jesus Christ. They are not proclaiming Vishnu or Buddha, and they celebrate the Eucharist, the Mass, with utmost reverence. They have greater hope in God in their societies than we do here in the West.
Also, we need only remember St. Matteo Ricci, who used the Chinese language and spirituality to help the Chinese to become Christians. He used their understanding of life and God to help them to understand Jesus. The Dominicans came in and said that he was not preaching "orthodoxy." The result is that Ricci was martyred, as were thousands of Chinese Christians, and the Church has been unable to proclaim freely and openly the good news of Jesus Christ.
5. In response to Roamer, asking how to pray, I say turn to God with all of your feelings and thoughts. The rosary and the Divine Mercy are wonderful prayers. But also say what is in your heart, both good and bad, and listen to what God says to you, particularly in the Scriptures. Look at the psalms. They express happiness, sadness, anger, joy, desperation, and the rest of the gamut of human emotions. And they are all prayers to God.
Our saints also teach us how to pray. Look at St. Augustine's , or St. Therese of Lisieux's or St. Teresa of Avila's autobiographies. They described all of the sin and all of the blessings in their lives, because their stories are not ultimately about themselves, but about the grace, mercy and love that our God has bestowed on them. Do not be afraid to tell God what is in your heart. Look at the story of the Prodigal Son. The son asked for everything that he felt he was owed. This is the same as us praying for the things we want, both good and bad. Did the father give him everything? Indeed, just as our Father gives us all we need. Later, when the son was sorry, he asked for the father's forgiveness, and the father not only forgave him, but threw a party for him. The Scripture tells us, too, that there is greater joy over one sinner who has repented, than over 99 who have never sinned. This doesn't mean, of course, that we should sin, but we should really understand how much God loves us, and how easily we can turn to him.
6. I did not want to leave out the Mass. I just want to affirm Roamer by saying that according to Vatican II, the Mass should be the font and culmination of our lives. So it is the excellent prayer to be in communion with our brothers and sisters, and to celebrate Christ coming to us in the Word of God, and in his Body and Blood.
7. Please do not misunderstand Teresa of Avila. All people are called to the contemplative life. Never forget that she taught her way of prayer not only to the nuns and friars, but also to the women and men who sought her advice. The contemplative life does not necessarily mean being holed up in a cloister. It means instead actively recognizing and enjoying being in the presence of God. Remember that while God may be "other," He is not far from us. On the contrary, he is very near. We cannot be in relationship with someone far away, but we can with someone who accompanies us in our journey of life. Some may argue the "our Father in heaven" point, but remember that Jesus said that he will be with us until the end of time. See the end of Mark's gospel for this. He also has sent us the Spirit. See any of the gospels for this. Our own Catholic tradition teaches us that God is near. In Scripture, we are told that "He is near to all who call upon Him."
In order to help us to pray, Teresa and others suggest that we read from Scripture and then think about what is being said, and think about how it speaks to our lives today. Remember that the Bible is the Word of God, so it can speak to us.
We must, obviously, be careful about how to understand the Scriptures, and that is why we have many good Scripture scholars in the Church who write many good books on how we can understand the Bible in the light of our Catholic tradition.

In the end the matter of how to pray is simple. Turn to God with both your joys and your sorrows, your anger and your peace. Have confidence in His love and mercy. And remember that, as St. Paul says, love consists in this: not that we have loved God, but that God has loved us first, and gave us his only Son as a sign of that love.


36 posted on 10/17/2004 8:22:56 AM PDT by threadbare (Pax Christi.)
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37 posted on 10/18/2004 7:45:31 AM PDT by fishtank
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