To: Vicomte13
"The very beginning of Job tells us that Job was sinless, and followed the entirety of The Law. "
No it does not. Hear is the verse:
Job 1:1 - There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job; and that man was blameless, upright, fearing God and turning away from evil.
Job 1:8 - The LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil."
No where in these passages does it say Job was sinless. It said he was a blameless and upright man. These terms to do no equate to sinlessness.
Now lets use another example of a blameless and upright man: Noah. Gen 6:9 - Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.
Very similar to how Job was described. Now lets check out Gen 9:20-21
20 Then Noah began farming and planted a vineyard.
21 He drank of the wine and became drunk, and uncovered himself inside his tent.
Not exactly the actions of a sinless man.
JM
212 posted on
09/22/2004 8:44:02 AM PDT by
JohnnyM
To: JohnnyM
Blameless = sinless; unless one wishes to adopt the position that there are sins that carry with them no blame.
Original sin would qualify, I suppose, but I can't think of any other.
Also of interest, Job gives us an example of one man's prayers and sacrifices atoning for another's sins (he offers for the sins of his children).
213 posted on
09/22/2004 8:50:22 AM PDT by
Vicomte13
(Auta i Lome!)
To: JohnnyM; Vicomte13
***Not exactly the actions of a sinless man.***
Exactly. And look how Paul describes his pre-converted position...
"though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness, under the law blameless."
Phillipians 3
"...as to righteousness, under the law blameless."
Apparently one can be "blameless" but still participate in the death of Christians!
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