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To: gbcdoj
You do well to quote Pope Pius XII's, Mediator Dei, where you bolded But the human components admit of various modifications, as the needs of the age, circumstance and the good of souls may require, and as the ecclesiastical hierarchy, under guidance of the Holy Spirit, may have authorized.

But don't neglect this part:

The Church is without question a living organism, and as an organism, in respect of the sacred liturgy also, she grows, matures, develops, adapts and accommodates herself to temporal needs and circumstances, provided only that the integrity of her doctrine be safeguarded. This notwithstanding, the temerity and daring of those who introduce novel liturgical practices, or call for the revival of obsolete rites out of harmony with prevailing laws and rubrics, deserve severe reproof. It has pained Us grievously to note, Venerable Brethren, that such innovations are actually being introduced, not merely in minor details but in matters of major importance as well. We instance, in point of fact, those who make use of the vernacular in the celebration of the august eucharistic sacrifice; those who transfer certain feast-days -- which have been appointed and established after mature deliberation -- to other dates; those, finally, who delete from the prayerbooks approved for public use the sacred texts of the Old Testament, deeming them little suited and inopportune for modern times.........Thus, to cite some instances, one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer's body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings; and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music

72 posted on 09/11/2004 4:16:47 PM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: Stubborn; Pio; pascendi; Robert Drobot; pro Athanasius; Canticle_of_Deborah; Maeve; ...

If I am an Eastern Rite Catholic, I am allowed to (for the most part)ignore Vatican II & the Novus Ordo mass, and still be considered in communion with the Roman Church, and in union with the Pope.

If am a traditionalist Latin Rite Catholic - who wants the Traditional Latin Mass - I am vile, disobedient, schismatic, excommunicated?

Strange, ain't it? All I want is my preferred rite of the mass.

But I am treated as if I were a piece of excrement by the clergy, for my "sins against Vatican II".

Yes, it is all about the mass. Destroy the mass - as Communists pondered many years ago - and you destroy the church.

The architects of the Novus Ordo Missae learned well from the Great Architect of the Universe.


74 posted on 09/11/2004 5:09:37 PM PDT by thor76 (Vade retro, Draco! Crux sacra sit mihi lux!)
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To: Stubborn
But don't neglect this part:

Indeed. But the 1970MR and GIRM sides with Pius XII in all of the points which he singles out.

one would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform

The celebration of the Eucharist in a sacred place is to be carried out on an altar; but outside a sacred place, it may be carried out on a suitable table, always with the use of a cloth, a corporal, a cross, and candles.

It is appropriate to have a fixed altar in every church ... (GIRM 297-8)

were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments;

Traditional usage should be maintained for the vestment colors ... (e) Black may be used, where it is the custom, in Masses for the dead; (GIRM 346)

were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches;

Thus, images of the Lord, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the Saints, in accordance with the Church's most ancient tradition, should be displayed for veneration by the faithful in sacred buildings and should be arranged so as to usher the faithful toward the mysteries of faith celebrated there. (GIRM 318)

and lastly were he to disdain and reject polyphonic music

All other things being equal, Gregorian chant holds pride of place because it is proper to the Roman Liturgy. Other types of sacred music, in particular polyphony, are in no way excluded, provided that they correspond to the spirit of the liturgical action and that they foster the participation of all the faithful. (GIRM 41)

Pius XII's reference to the vernacular is to those who were on their own initiative holding Masses in the vernacular contrary to liturgical regulations. This is clear from the fact that in Musicae Sacrae he approved of vernacular hymns during Mass.

Furthermore the faithful should be taught to sing the Ordinary in Latin in accordance with the postconciliar directives issued by the Holy See - so an all-vernacular Mass is hardly prescribed by Rome.

77 posted on 09/11/2004 5:35:09 PM PDT by gbcdoj
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