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To: ultima ratio
Vatican 1

Chapter 2. On the permanence of the primacy of blessed Peter in the Roman pontiffs

That which our lord Jesus Christ, the prince of shepherds and great shepherd of the sheep, established in the blessed apostle Peter, for the continual salvation and permanent benefit of the church, must of necessity remain for ever, by Christ's authority, in the church which, founded as it is upon a rock, will stand firm until the end of time [45] .

For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood [46] .

Therefore whoever succeeds to the chair of Peter obtains by the institution of Christ himself, the primacy of Peter over the whole church. So what the truth has ordained stands firm, and blessed Peter perseveres in the rock-like strength he was granted, and does not abandon that guidance of the church which he once received [

47] . For this reason it has always been necessary for every church--that is to say the faithful throughout the world--to be in agreement with the Roman church because of its more effective leadership. In consequence of being joined, as members to head, with that see, from which the rights of sacred communion flow to all, they will grow together into the structure of a single body

[48] . Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole church; or that the Roman pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy:let him be anathema.

**** When I read such posts of yours I am amazed and saddened. I can read these simple, dogmatic, declarative sentences and it is clear as a bell that those like yourself (I am not singling you out - there are several others on here who post like you)have ceased to believe.

What good is the old liturgy if it leads you into such grave errors and blinds you to dogmatic truths?

I have seen many like you (again, I am not singling you out) insist that it is only the old mass that will help preserve the Faith yet it is those who most fervently and frequently make this assertion who are the very ones who deny the Dogmatic Truths of Vatican 1.

PLease pray and think about this

46 posted on 09/11/2004 1:14:41 PM PDT by bornacatholic
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To: bornacatholic
What good is the old liturgy if it leads you into such grave errors and blinds you to dogmatic truths?

What is "old liturgy"? Do you mean the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?

49 posted on 09/11/2004 1:32:15 PM PDT by Stubborn (It is the Mass that matters)
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To: bornacatholic

The Pope is indeed supreme in the Church. Having said this, it should be understood he is not God, nor is he a god to be worshipped. While not limited by men from below, he is very much limited from above--by the Divine Law itself which demands that he be just. If he is unjust, if he practices and teaches novelties which are false and attempts to create a new religion and foist it on the people, or if he punishes the innocent because they resist him when he does this, then he may be ignored with impunity.

You, like many others on this site, have a false notion of papal authority and imagine it is unlimited. But Papal Primacy does not give a pope the power to invent new beliefs. He has only the authority to pass down to others what he has himself received in the deposit of faith. That is the essence of Catholic Tradition. If a pope finds himself functioning in contradiction to that Tradition, he must expect to be disobeyed. The pope is not Lord of the Catholic faith, shaping it to his own ends. He is its servant who must protect it and defend it against its enemies.


78 posted on 09/11/2004 5:46:21 PM PDT by ultima ratio
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