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To: Tantumergo
She could do to take some serious study of her subject before spouting forth, however!

I think she has done a rather good job putting the whole complicated situation into a nutshell. About the best you could expect from any secular news source, and much better than you could expect from any organ of the hierarchy.

"Post-Vatican II theology says the celebrating community offers the sacrifice to God with the priest."
This is sheer bunk - no official teaching of the Church since Vatican II has claimed this.

In actual fact, every teaching since Vatican II that comes from any kind of liturgical organization makes exactly this claim. I have a book called "The Communion Rite at Sunday Mass" by Gabe Huck that says precisely this. Right on the first page he says,

"Our eucharist is always the eucharist of the church [sic]. It has no existence apart from the celebration of particular assemblies."
This book has more than just an imprimatur, it is actually copyrighted by the Archdiocese of Chicago. It is published by Liturgy Training Publications, the organization that supplies liturgy materials for nearly all the parishes in the United States. I can tell you that virtually every "suggestion" in this book was implemented in the New Mass parish we used to attend.

The bishops are part of the official magisterium of the Church, and this is what they are teaching and practicing in every diocese around the world.

6 posted on 08/31/2004 1:40:33 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian

""The Communion Rite at Sunday Mass" by Gabe Huck that says precisely this."

The day that Gabe Huck has any official teaching capacity in the Magisterium of the Universal Church will be the day that I become a sede vacantist.

His infantile theology is widespread and heretical, but it has never been taught by the Pope or the organs of the Holy See.

As his was one of the first scalps to fall to Cardinal George, I would suggest that he does not have universal appeal.

"I can tell you that virtually every "suggestion" in this book was implemented in the New Mass parish we used to attend."

I'm sure they were, and I'm sure they were all implemented in the French parishes where I have spent the last two weeks, and where the Masses were some of the worst travesties that I have ever seen. (I thought the situation was bad enough in England but in France I was so disgusted that I couldn't receive Communion.)

That still does not make his ideology the official teaching of the Church, though!


7 posted on 08/31/2004 2:55:32 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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