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To: Maximilian

"Time to become a sedevacantist!"

Are you certain I'm not? For all you know I may be the only sedevacantist N.O. deacon in the world! ;)

"As far as their teaching authority and pastoral government are concerned, all are united in a college or body with respect to the universal Church of God."

The bishops' teaching office - membership of the Magisterium - and ability to define doctrine, is dependendent on their unity in this with all the other bishops of the world, and particularly dependent on their unity with the Supreme Pontiff.

It wouldn't matter if every bishop in the world apart from the Pope said "The Eucharist has no existence apart from the celebration of particular assemblies." - that would still not make the doctrine "Church teaching".

Just as when every bishop in the world, apart from Athanasius and the Pope, adopted Arianism - that never meant that Arianism became official Church teaching.

The Archdiocese of Chicago may have published Huck's drivel, but that does not mean it is formally taught by Cardinal George. He may well have been negligent in failing to scrap the publication of this trash, and will at some point answer to a higher authority because of it. But that is still not the same as if he had formally promoted these ideas himself.

Even if the Pope himself decided to endorse Huck's sacramental theology - it would still not become the official teaching of the Church as no Pope or Council has the power from God to invent new doctrine. Even Vatican II reiterated this latter point.

"I'm friends with a seminarian in a New Mass seminary, and I can confirm that this is what he is being taught, and what he will believe when he becomes a priest -- that his job is to preside over assembly as they celebrate the eucharist."

That may be the case, and he will probably become another casualty of the modernist heresy infecting the Body of Christ. However, this was not taught at my seminary and none of the candidates on the diaconate formation course were taught this by any of our lecturers. (We were blessed by the chap who designed and set up the course - he now runs round the country offering the Tridentine Mass wherever there is the need!)

"This is the teaching of virtually the entire Catholic hierarchy which shares in the collegial magisterium, according to Vatican II."

So? Many of the current hierarchy are at least material heretics - tell me something I didn't know already!

The most encouraging thing about the last Mass I attended in France was that out of a congregation of 400, only 10 were under the age of 60. That particular parody of the Catholic Church does not have much to look forward to.

It was the spookiest feeling - all these ancient white-haired dears locked in this folksy pap of a 1960's timewarp. It reminded me of the film "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" where the "Child Catcher" had created a town devoid of children - desperately sad really!


11 posted on 09/01/2004 7:39:58 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
It was the spookiest feeling - all these ancient white-haired dears locked in this folksy pap of a 1960's timewarp. It reminded me of the film "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" where the "Child Catcher" had created a town devoid of children - desperately sad really!

Not only is that a good metaphor for so many New Mass Catholic parishes (main-line protestant parishes are even worse of course), but for all of Western Civilization at this point. The "child catcher" seems to have arrived in every town in Europe. And why did they hate children in Vulgaria? Because the adults wanted to play, they wanted to continue behaving like children rather than taking on the obligations of supporting flesh and blood children of their own. Sounds very much like all the "developed nations" of today, and also very much like the New Mass hierarchy that wants to "celebrate liturgy" rather than to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

There is nothing more refreshing than to attend Mass at our traditional parish where the pews are overflowing with dozens of young children, and there are new beautiful young families being formed all the time, young people in their twenties starting on the job of "the procreation and education of children," not just for themselves but perhaps for 5 or 6 other "families" that have 2 children or less.

15 posted on 09/01/2004 6:06:37 PM PDT by Maximilian
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