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Bishop Fellay Responds to Hoyos Interview
DICI News Website ^ | 20 July 2004 | SSPX - DICI news website

Posted on 07/21/2004 7:23:09 AM PDT by Mershon

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1 posted on 07/21/2004 7:23:10 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon

In the name of "Christian unity" and true "ecumenism," let us all redouble our efforts for the canonical regularization of the SSPX with the Roman Catholic Church. While this interview might appear to some to be stand offish, I believe Bishop Fellay understands Romanitas better than most of us, and this appears to be very hopeful to me. The cause of Tradition will certainly be advanced with the addition of 450 priests fighting together with the FSSP, ICKSP and the diocesan priests who are offering the Mass of All Ages.

The modernists' days are numbered.


2 posted on 07/21/2004 7:25:50 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon

**19/7/2004**

Interesting date, to say the least.


3 posted on 07/21/2004 7:30:00 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

International dates list the day first, not the month. This is used throughout the world, and increasingly, in the U.S. as well.


4 posted on 07/21/2004 7:33:59 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon

OK, my mistake, I didn't think about that.


5 posted on 07/21/2004 7:50:42 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Mershon; ninenot; BlackElk; Dominick; narses
The modernists' days are numbered.WooHoo!
Gentlemen, a question arose after I read the following:

To be convinced of this, you merely have to look at the very reserved reactions of the bishops to the recent disciplinary document Redemptionis sacramentum. Apparently, nobody is interested in this call to order!

How would Fellay know what the individual Bishops' responses, activities, or behind-the-scenes movements are in response to R.S.?  I was compelled by R.S. to write a letter to my pastor; it seems foolish to expect "immediate" reaction everywhere as Fellay's tone implies.

"The virtue of the soul that is called patience,
is so great a gift of God,
that we even preach the patience of Him
who bestows it upon us."  
SAINT AUGUSTINE

6 posted on 07/21/2004 8:30:30 AM PDT by GirlShortstop (« O sublime humility! That the Lord... should humble Himself like this... »)
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To: Mershon; B Knotts
What would really marginalize us would be a concession closing off Tradition in a kind of Indian reservation or enclave within the Church.

No chance at a Tridentine Rite, it appears.

It also appears that Fellay will not back off the objections the SSPX has to Vatican II--his "doctrinal" issues.

Since the Church will not compromise on Vatican II, specifically Religious Liberty and Ecumenism, any chance at reunion is hopeless at this point.

7 posted on 07/21/2004 8:33:16 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: GirlShortstop

I agree with the sentiments of your post, however, Bishop Fellay has some very good contacts in Rome (more or less sympathetic to his cause), so he probably has inside information that we are not privvy to.

Also, he has seen the negative reactions (publicly in the papers) of some German and other bishops as well. These articles are on the dici.org website.

Pax Christi.


8 posted on 07/21/2004 8:33:34 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: sinkspur

"Since the Church will not compromise on Vatican II, specifically Religious Liberty and Ecumenism, any chance at reunion is hopeless at this point."

From an otherwise open-minded, liberal, ecumania at all costs with all sorts of animal and thumb worshippers, Protestants who ordain women and are pro-contraceptive and pro-aborts to the Greek Orthodox, whom the vast majority wanted NOTHING to do with the Pope's visit, you WANT to claim that "reunion is hopeless."

Well, sinky, perhaps your intuition on the state of the Church in Rome is clouded by your AmChurch diocesan experience. Back in 1988, Rome offered and Lefebvre initially accepted, an agreement that made them accept Lumen Gentium No. 25, while reserving the right to discuss the other matters of Vatican II and its proper theological application.

Since the real theological work of fitting Vatican II into the patrimony of the Church has not been done yet, I would think this offer would still stand.

I would think that a deacon of the Church who is all for Christian "unity" would be excited and hopeful about the prospect of the largest "reunification" and second concrete example of re-entering the Church in the name of ecumenism, since the Second Vatican Council ended. The first, of course, were the priests of Campos, Brazil.

What could be better than having another 450 priests to adminisiter the sacraments in Amchurch's dying dioceses with no vocations and aging priests? This would actually even give a deacon something to do during Mass in the Classical Roman rite. You would have more "active participation." You should be thrilled.

You are misreading this bad--and I hope not intentionally in order to deceive others. Remember, Hoyos recently said a juridical solution is being discussed and hammered out as we speak.

This thing will happen if all Catholics of good will redouble their prayers and rosary and Mass intentions for the sake of Christian unity--in the true sense of the term.


9 posted on 07/21/2004 8:41:40 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: Mershon
What could be better than having another 450 priests to adminisiter the sacraments in Amchurch's dying dioceses with no vocations and aging priests? This would actually even give a deacon something to do during Mass in the Classical Roman rite. You would have more "active participation." You should be thrilled.

Nope, I'm a Novus Ordo deacon.

But, your post indicates why Rome is so reluctant to give a universal Indult, and why it is reluctant to join up with an organization whose goal, if you read their bishops carefully, and listen to their advocates on Free Republic, is the suppression of the Novus Ordo.

If the SSPX were to follow the FSSP path, there would be no problem. But, as you know, the sect will not do that because it has no interest in cooperating with Novus Ordo bishops or a Novus Ordo Vatican.

That's why the Tridentine Rite solution is, IMO, the only thing that will allow any kind of reunion. As you can see, however, Fellay's not interested in a "reservation."

10 posted on 07/21/2004 8:52:24 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: Mershon
Remember, Hoyos recently said a juridical solution is being discussed and hammered out as we speak.

Don't count on anything happening soon here. Hoyos' "juridical guarantee" doesn't exist in any sort of canonical form. To accomplish it, he will need the cooperation of Bishops' Conferences, around the world.

Don't hold your breath.

11 posted on 07/21/2004 8:55:20 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

I am a Novus Ordo deacon???

I thought the Novus Ordo was the Roman rite of Mass of Paul VI. I thought it was blend and harmonization without much real change other than the language, of the Mass of Pope John XXIII? Now you are claiming and admitting they are two different rites? OK, good progress.

Deacon, if you don't like the Traditional Latin rite of Mass (as you know, "Tridentine" is a misnomer), then you don't have to attend. Let us just have both for equal access for about 40 years.

The Novus Ordo will not be suppressed because the SSPX and its adherents desire it to be so. But after about 40 years, there will be no young men interested in replacing the modernists and grey-hairds who sold their souls for the "spirit of Vatican II."

We have about a half dozen young men in our diocese discerning God's call to the priesthood in our Bible Belt diocese. All six are interested in saying the Traditional Latin Mass on at least as frequent of basis as the Novus Ordo. And our Bishop, reluctantly perhaps, is willing to make some compromises.

Either that, or the FSSP and the ICKSP and the Legion of Christ will be the only ones with priests left.


12 posted on 07/21/2004 8:59:01 AM PDT by Mershon
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To: sinkspur
As I said before, there is no desire for a separate rite on either side of this discussion.

The TLM and NO are different forms of the same rite.

13 posted on 07/21/2004 9:27:14 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: sinkspur

But, yeah, if a way could be found, I think the separate rite would be a reasonable solution. It would protect traditionalists.


14 posted on 07/21/2004 9:29:06 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: sinkspur
Nope, I'm a Novus Ordo deacon.

What!?!?! You are not! I can say it with a straight face, with all fraternally correct intentions, and on the Lasagna my Aunt Santina used to make.

You are NOT a Novus Ordo Deacon.

You are a Catholic Deacon.
15 posted on 07/21/2004 9:37:56 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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OK. You're right. But I don't, and won't, serve at Tridentine Masses.


16 posted on 07/21/2004 9:40:05 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur
That's an odd position to take. You would not do so, even if your services were requested by your bishop for some reason?

Granted, the odds of that happening are extremely tiny, but...wouldn't you do it, if your bishop asked you to? I mean, that seems as bad as the SSPXers who consider the Missa Normativa invalid.

17 posted on 07/21/2004 9:48:45 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: sinkspur
OK. You're right. But I don't, and won't, serve at Tridentine Masses

That is your right, but as a practical matter, you are not trained to. I don't think you would be asked!

Not a slam BTW :-)
18 posted on 07/21/2004 9:55:27 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: B Knotts
You would not do so, even if your services were requested by your bishop for some reason?

If I were asked, as in "given a choice," I would refuse.

If I were commanded, I would do it.

There are two deacons I have in mind right now in our diocese who would jump at the chance.

19 posted on 07/21/2004 10:20:06 AM PDT by sinkspur (There's no problem on the inside of a kid that the outside of a dog can't cure.)
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To: sinkspur

Sincerely, I just thought that in the name of "active participation," you might want to have a little more to do during the liturgy than the "assistance" that is required at a typical Novus Ordo. Not much more to do there than what the 9-year-old altar "girl" "server" is allowed to do.

As a deacon or subdeacon at a solemn High Mass, you could certainly chant the Gospel and "actively participate" more. Funny how that has turned out, isn't it?


20 posted on 07/21/2004 10:48:38 AM PDT by Mershon
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