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To: Aliska
Having said all that, I don't think there is necessarily a right or wrong about the pope's going and coming. People probably think it's wrong because it's different.

In my own personal case it was the other way around. I was more than happy with JPII's "different" way of doing things for the first decade or two of his pontificate. I went to his Mass at Aqueduct racetrack in 1994. That experience was a big disappointment, but I didn't blame him at the time. It was only when I finally realized that something was fundamentally wrong that I started to re-consider all these various aspects of his pontificate like his globe-trotting visits around the world.

88 posted on 07/07/2004 12:50:16 PM PDT by Maximilian
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To: Maximilian
It was only when I finally realized that something was fundamentally wrong

I hear you. Even apart from the scandals, there is something else that just doesn't seem like the way things should be going. I'm all for a kindler, gentler church, but not at the expense of compromising the gospel.

I applaud the church for holding the line on certain issues, unpopular though they may be in some quarters; however they seem to look the other way when it comes time to do anything in the way of discipline that will make people sit up and take notice and understand that this is not merely church gobbledygook as some political figure put it re his annulment. I think it was some Kennedy.

Most of what gets said goes in one ear and out the other and the people are starving, but to the point that they are anorexic and in denial.

Sometimes ultima ratio hits the nail on the head, so I cannot dismiss his post as mere rantings of a schismatic.

On another thread there is another discussion about something the church has been too permissive about imo, and in trying to come to terms with it, what do I find but a book I would like to read. I think the author is one of those wayward traditionalists, Vennari. Can I find anything about the subject by a respected novus ordo priest? Nyet. Zero. Zip. Nada. Or affirmation. Nothing about the potential dangers and to the effect that maybe they ought not to be allowing it. Like a novus ordo nun once told me, "Just because the church allows it doesn't necessarily mean it is a good thing." She also told me to throw Father Gobbi's book away which was good advice and I got rid of it. But what to replace it with?

Back to the trad book. Traditionalists to the rescue about some issues that happen to matter very much for me. The official church? Mostly silence and permissiveness. Draws the crowds. That's not the way things ought to be. There are some of us who yearn for purity in our religion if it can be had.

93 posted on 07/07/2004 1:22:59 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Maximilian
I went to his Mass at Aqueduct racetrack in 1994.

The winner in the first race that day was Montini who was ridden by Annibale Bugnini and trained by Angelo G. Roncalli. Unfortunatley after a stewards inquiry, Montini was disqualified for interference.

96 posted on 07/07/2004 1:35:54 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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