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Dispensationalism - Help or Heresy? by Charles C. Ryrie
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Dispensationalism - Help or Heresy?

Charles C. Ryrie

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The mention of the word dispensationalism usually evokes an immediate reaction.

For many Christians it reminds them of the help and blessing the ministries and writings of dispensational Bible teachers have been to them. They recall Bible conferences, prophecy conferences, special meetings, or books that awakened in them their first real interest in studying the Bible seriously and in depth.

For others, however, dispensationalism is something to be avoided like the plague. Perhaps they do not even begin to understand what it is, but, if they have heard about it, it has been in a negative way. Indeed, they may have been told that dispensational teaching is heretical. Nevertheless, dispensationalists have occupied a significant place in the history of the church, and they continue to be an important group of earnest believers today.

Like all doctrines, dispensational teaching has undergone systematization and development in its lifetime, though the basic tenets have not changed. At times it has been aggressively attacked. Often caricatures and stereotypes misrepresent and ridicule the viewpoint. When this book was originally published in 1965 under the title Dispensationalism Today its purpose was to present classic dispensational teaching in a positive way in order to correct misunderstandings and allay suspicions about it. I also wanted to show that earlier dispensationalists were more balanced in their statements than usually represented by those who quote them selectively.

This revision does not abandon, change, dilute, or minimize the basic teachings of normative, or classic, dispensationalism. The basic scheme involving the different dispensations remains the most helpful tool of consistent, noncontradictory interpretation of Scripture. References will be made to some books published since 1965, and the recent developments in hermeneutics and the major changes being proposed by so-called progressive dispensationalists are addressed. But the positive presentation of normative dispensationalism remains a primary feature of this revision.

It should be remembered that dispensationalists are conservative, evangelical Christians. Many of the differences of opinion discussed in this book are between evangelicals with whom there is agreement in other important areas of doctrine. It is sincerely intended that what is said about these differences be factual, fair, clear, and in a spirit of helpfulness. I hope that every reader, before putting this book down, will read the last chapter, no matter how mildly or violently he or she may disagree with other parts of the book.

OPPOSITION TO DISPENSATIONALISM

The opposition to dispensational teaching has come from many quarters, and the attacks have been quite varied in their intensity.

The theological liberal quite naturally opposes dispensationalism, for he finds completely unpalatable its plain interpretation, which is based on a verbal, plenary view of the inspiration of Scripture. Neither would he agree with other beliefs and teachings that dispensationalists hold in common with other conservatives. Whatever else dispensationalists are, they are conservative in their view of the fundamental doctrines of the Bible, an approach unsavory to the liberal.

But certain conservatives also are opposed to the teachings of dispensationalism. On the one hand, the amillennialist recognizes that dispensationalists are invariably premillennialists, which means their teaching cannot be a viable option, since premillennialism and amillennialism do not mix. A. W Pink, for example, writes of dispensationalists as those who impose "their crudities and vagaries, and make their poor dupes believe a wonderful discovery had been made in the 'rightly dividing of the word of truth.'. . . How dreadfully superficial and faulty their 'findings' are [is apparent] from the popular (far too popular to be of much value -- Luke 16:15!) Scofield Bible."[1] More recently John Gerstner labeled dispensationalism "a cult and not a branch of the Christian church," associating dispensationalists with "false teachers" and heretics."[2] On the other hand, those who might be called ultradispensationalists feel that normative dispensationalists have not gone far enough in their teachings and thus are unbiblical in their conclusions, which, therefore, must be rejected.

Opposition has also developed from those who are premillennial but not dispensational. (Generally they are covenant premillennialists who believe in a posttribulational Rapture.) Their point is that dispensational premillennialism is not historical but that premillennialism without dispensationalism is. Therefore, their attack centers on dispensational distinctives: "The present upsurge of Historical Premillennialism has challenged the Dispensational theory of a Pretribulational Rapture of the Church out of the world. Belief in a Pretribulational Rapture is . . . a deviation. "[3]

These various attacks range from mild to severe. Philip Mauro, a premillennialist who abandoned the dispensational position, is bitter in his denunciation:

Indeed, the time is fully ripe for a thorough examination and frank exposure of this new and subtle form of modernism that has been spreading itself among those who have adopted the name "fundamentalists." For evangelical Christianity must purge itself of this leaven of dispensationalism ere it can display its former power and exert its former influence.... The entire system of "dispensational teaching" is modernistic in the strictest sense.[4]

Only slightly more mild than Mauro's charge of modernism is the conclusion of Oswald Allis that dispensationalism is a "danger" and is "unscriptural."[5] Daniel Fuller reached a similar conclusion, namely, that dispensationalism is "internally inconsistent and unable to harmonize itself with the Biblical data."[6]

John Bowman, in a practically unrestrained attack on the original Scofield Bible and its dispensational teachings, said, "This book represents perhaps the most dangerous heresy currently to be found within Christian circles."[7] In a more temperate manner the editor of Presbyterian Journal, in answer to a reader's question, called dispensationalism "a conservative 'heresy'" since, in his own words, "whatever else you may say about a dispensationalist, one thing you can say about him with great assurance: he is conservative in theology."[8]

More recently reconstructionists (also known as dominion theologians or theonomists), who are postmillennial, have joined the fray. One calls dispensationalism "unbelief and heresy"[9] whereas another labels premillennialism "an unorthodox teaching, generally espoused by heretical sects on the fringes of the Christian Church."[10]

Labeling dispensationalism as "modernism," "unscriptural," or "heresy" is not the only way it has been attacked. Some have practiced the guilt-by-association method. Bowman, for instance, associates dispensationalism with names like Hitler and National Socialism, Roman Catholicism, Christian Science, and Mormonism.[11] The book The Church Faces the Isms, written by members of the faculty of Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary, includes dispensationalism along with such "isms" as Seventh-day Adventism and Perfectionism.[12]

Gerstner (while distinguishing basic differences) puts dispensationalists, in a certain respect, alongside Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.[13] And in the foreword to Gerstner's book R C. Sproul draws an analogy between dispensationalists and Joseph Fletcher, father of modern "situational ethics."[14]

Resort is often made to an ad hominem attack, which focuses on a person's character rather than on his teachings. The person often singled out is John Nelson Darby, and the point of attack is usually his separationist principles and practices. He is pictured as the "pope" of the Plymouth Brethren movement, who excommunicated at will those who disagreed with him and whose separationist practices have characterized the entire dispensational movement for ill. Here is an illustration of this kind of attack: "There exists a direct line from Darby through a number of channels . . . all characterized by and contributing to a spirit of separatism and exclusion. The devastating effects of this spirit upon the total body of Christ cannot be underestimated."[15]

Sometimes this attack takes the form of pointing to cases in which division in churches was involved in some way or another with dispensational teaching. Of course, in the report of such instances the reader cannot be sure he has been given all the facts that may have contributed to the rupture. But dispensational teaching is usually made the primary, if not the sole, cause.[16] Those who use such an argument in an effort to discredit the totality of dispensational teaching should call to mind some of the basic and most obvious facts about the divisive aspects of the Protestant Reformation.

There is the "intellectual" attack. It is noted that the process of earning a doctor's degree has delivered the person from the dispensational teaching in which he was reared.[17] Needless to say, there are men with doctor's degrees who support the dispensational approach. However, unworthy as it may be, the attack is a powerful one. It implies that, whereas dispensationalism is something that may inadvertently be learned in Sunday school or at a Bible school, greater intellectual maturity will certainly lead to its abandonment.

There is the historical attack. This will be examined in more detail later (see chapter 4). It seeks to prove that since dispensationalism in its present form is apparently recent it cannot be true; for surely someone would have taught it in the first eighteen centuries of the history of the church if it were true. Some who use this device to discredit dispensationalism are honest enough to admit that history is never the test of truth -- the Bible and only the Bible is. But they persist in using the approach and leave the impression that history is a partially valid test, if not the final test. Dale Moody writes, "Dispensationalism with the modern form of seven dispensations, eight covenants, and a Pretribulation Rapture is a deviation that has not been traced beyond 1830."[18]

There is the ridicule-of-doctrine attack. This is usually based on a straw-man construction of the dispensationalists doctrine or a partial statement of it. Some supposed teaching of dispensationalism is held up to ridicule, and by so much the entire system is condemned. For instance, the opponents of dispensationalism are quite sure that it teaches two (or more) ways of salvation. And they ask, What could be more unscriptural than that? Therefore, the system should be discarded. Or, again, they declare that dispensationalists will not use the Sermon on the Mount, and, since the Sermon obviously contains rich Christian truth, what could be more apparent than that the system refusing to use it is wrong? Indeed, Richard J. Foster, a conservative, says that "the heresy [there's that word again] in Dispensationalism [is] that the Sermon on the Mount applies to a future age rather than today"[19] These charges will be discussed in due time (see chapter 5); they are mentioned here only as examples of the method of attack used.

Another jabs at dispensationalism in this way: "The nondispensationalist usually finds eschatological factors least important. Evidently the dispensationalist feels that our church creeds are inadequate because they do not include pronouncements on such matters as a pretribulation rapture or the identification of the 144,000."[20] Some groups do deem it best for their ministry to have a pretribulation rapture clause in their doctrinal statements, but I have never seen a creedal statement that considered it necessary to include the identification of the 144,000.

Bruce Waltke (formerly a dispensationalist, now an amillennialist, and always a friend) in a lecture given in 1991 predicted that dispensationalism has "no future as a system." He went on to say that "unless a new, accredited theologian arises to defend historic dispensationalism, this aberration in Christian theology will die."[21]

The new "progressive" dispensationalism (see chapter 9), while posing as a legitimate development within the dispensational tradition, appears rather to be a distinct change from classic dispensationalism since it seeks "dispensational structures that are more accurate biblically. "[22] Does this not imply that classic dispensationalism is less accurate biblically? One progressive views classic dispensationalism as "the cloud" under which he lives.[23] But the changes of progressive dispensationalism will presumably dispel that cloud.

Of course, the ultimate test of the truth of any doctrine is whether it is in accord with biblical revelation. The fact that the church taught something in the first century does not make it true, and, likewise, if the church did not teach something until the twentieth century, it is not necessarily false. Tertullian, Anseim, Luther, Calvin, Darby, Scofield, and the Westminster divines were all instruments in the hands of God to minister truth to His church, but none of them was perfect in all his thinking. People do not make a doctrine right or wrong. Defective life never enhances doctrine, but neither does it necessarily falsify it. Earning a doctors degree may make one an expert in a particular field of study, but it does not make one infallible or without need of further light on a given subject. An understanding of the truth of the Bible can be communicated by the Holy Spirit in and through the formal education situation and procedures, and it can be communicated apart from them.

If dispensationalism has been called everything from a "dangerous friend" to a "sworn enemy," is there any point in examining it? What do the dispensationalists say for themselves that could make their teaching worth investigating? Could there be any help in that which is a heresy in the minds of some?

THE HELP GIVEN BY DISPENSATIONALISM

It Answers the Need of Biblical Distinctions

There is no interpreter of the Bible who does not recognize the need for certain basic distinctions in the Scriptures. The theological liberal, no matter how much he speaks of the Judaistic background of Christianity, recognizes that Christianity is nevertheless different from Judaism. There may be few or many features of Judaism that, in his mind, carry over into Christianity, but still the message of Jesus was something new. Therefore, the material of the Old Testament is distinguished from that of the New.

The covenant theologian, for all his opposition to dispensationalism, also makes certain rather important distinctions. However, it must be noted that his dispensational distinctions are viewed as related to the unifying and underlying covenant of grace. Nevertheless, within his concept of this covenant he does make some very basic distinctions. Louis Berkhof will serve as an example.[24] After rejecting the usual dispensational scheme of Bible distinctions, he enumerates his own scheme of dispensations or administrations, reducing the number to two -- the Old Testament dispensation and the New Testament dispensation. However, within the Old Testament dispensation Berkhof lists four subdivisions, which, although he terms them "stages in the revelation of the covenant of grace, are distinguishable enough to be listed. In reality, then, he finds these four plus the New Testament dispensation, or five periods of differing administrations of God. Thus, the covenant theologian finds biblical distinctions a necessary part of his theology, even though the covenant of grace is his ruling category.

The dispensationalist finds his answer to the need for distinctions in his dispensational scheme. The dispensations supply the need for distinctions in the orderly progress of revelation throughout Scripture. His dispensations are not stages in the revelation of the covenant of grace but are God's distinctive and different administrations in directing the affairs of the world. It makes little difference at this point in the discussion whether there are seven dispensations or not; the point is that dispensations answer the need for distinctions.

All interpreters feel the need for distinctions. Obviously this does not prove that dispensationalists distinctions are the correct ones, but it does demonstrate that the need for distinctions as basic to the proper interpretation of the Scriptures is recognized. There is some truth in the two statements "Any person is a dispensationalist who trusts the blood of Christ rather than bringing an animal sacrifice" and "Any person is a dispensationalist who observes the first day of the week rather than the seventh.[25] That is true simply because every person who does not bring an animal sacrifice or who does not observe Saturday as his day of worship recognizes the need for distinctions in the interpretation of the Bible. The dispensationalist feels that his system supplies the answer to that need.

It Answers the Need of a Philosophy of History

The Scriptures per se are not a philosophy of history, but they contain one. It is true that the Bible deals with ideas -- but with ideas that are interpretations of historical events. This interpretation of the meaning of historical events is the task of theology, and it is a task that is not without its problems. The chief problem is that both covenant and dispensational theologies claim to represent the true philosophy of history as contained in the Scriptures. The problem is further complicated by the fact that, if a philosophy of history is defined as "a systematic interpretation of universal history in accordance with a principle by which historical events and successions are unified and directed toward ultimate meaning,"[26] then in a certain sense both systems of theology meet the basic requirements of the definition. However, the way in which the two systems meet these requirements affirms that dispensationalism is the more valid and helpful system. Notice that the definition centers on three things: (1) the recognition of "historical events and successions," or a proper concept of the progress of revelation in history; (2) the unifying principle; and (3) the ultimate goal of history. Let us examine both systems in relation to these three features.

Concerning the goal of history, dispensationalists find it in the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth, whereas the covenant theologian regards it as the eternal state. This does not mean that normative dispensationalists minimize the glory of the eternal state, but they insist that the display of the glory of the God who is sovereign in human history must be seen in the present heavens and earth. This view of the realization of the goal of history within time is both optimistic and in accord with the requirements of the definition.

The covenant view, which sees the course of history continuing the present struggle between good and evil until terminated by the beginning of eternity obviously does not have any goal within temporal history and is therefore pessimistic. Alva McClain points out this contrast very clearly when he says that according to covenant theology "both good and evil continue in their development side by side through human history

Then will come catastrophe and the crisis of divine judgment, not for the purpose of setting up a divine kingdom in history, but after the close of history . . . Thus history becomes the preparatory "vestibule" of eternity It is a narrow corridor, cramped and dark, a kind of "waiting room," leading nowhere within the historical process, but only fit to be abandoned at last for an ideal existence on another plane. Such a view of history seems unduly pessimistic, in the light of Biblical revelation.[27]

Progressive dispensationalists take a both/and view of the goal(s) of history by combining the millennial kingdom and the eternal state together in a single future dispensation. This is a mediating position between classic dispensationalism and covenant theology and is not in full accord with the definition that relates to events in history, not eternity. Thus, in relation to goals in a proper philosophy of history, only normative dispensationalism with its consummation within history in the dispensation of the Millennium offers a satisfactory system.

A second requirement of a philosophy of history is a proper unifying principle. In covenant theology the principle is the covenant of grace. This is the alleged covenant that the Lord made with man after the sin of Adam, in which He offered salvation through Jesus Christ. In short, the covenant of grace is God's plan of salvation, and therefore the unifying principle of covenant theology is soteriological.

In dispensationalism the principle is theological or eschatological or doxological, for the differing dispensations reveal the glory of God as He manifests His character in the differing stewardships, which culminate in history with the millennial glory. This is not to say that dispensationalism fails to give salvation its proper place in the purpose of God (see chapter 6). If the goal of history is the earthly Millennium and if the glory of God will be manifest at that time in the personal presence of Christ in a way hitherto unknown, then the unifying principle of dispensationalism may be said to be eschatological (if viewed from the goal toward which we are moving) or theological (if viewed from the self-revelation of God in every dispensation) or doxological (if viewed from the perspective of the overall manifestation of the glory of God).

In progressive dispensationalism the unifying principle is Christological because of the emphasis on Christ and on the Messianic, Davidic kingdom, already and not yet fulfilled.

Although the normative dispensationalist's principle is much broader and therefore less confining, it must be admitted that this alone does not prove that it is the more valid one. We must also consider the third part of our definition of a philosophy of history.

Only dispensationalism does justice to the proper concept of the progress of revelation. Covenant theology does include in its system different modes of administration of the covenant of grace, and although these modes would give an appearance of an idea of progressiveness in revelation, in practice there is extreme rigidity in covenant theology. James Orr, himself a covenant theologian, criticizes the covenant system along this very line:

It failed to seize the true idea of development, and by an artificial system of typology, and allegorizing interpretation, sought to read back practically the whole of the New Testament into the Old. But its most obvious defect was that, in using the idea of the covenant as an exhaustive category, and attempting to force into it the whole material of theology, it created an artificial scheme which could only repel minds desirous of simple and natural notions.[28]

Covenant theology, then, because of the rigidity of its unifying principle of the covenant of grace, can never show within its system proper progress of revelation.

Dispensationalism, on the other hand, can and does give proper place to the idea of development. Under the various administrations of God, different revelation was given to man, and that revelation was increasingly progressive in the scope of its content. Though similarities are present in various dispensations, they are part of a true development and not a result of employing the unifying principle of the covenant of grace. The particular manifestations of the will of God in each dispensation are given their full, yet distinctive, place in the progress of the revelation of God throughout the ages. Only dispensationalism can cause historical events and successions to be seen in their own light and not to be reflected in the artificial light of an overall covenant.

Thus, a correct philosophy of history with its requirements of a proper goal, a proper unifying principle, and a proper concept of progress is best satisfied by the dispensational system. Like the need for biblical distinctions, the proper concept of the philosophy of history leads to dispensationalism.

It Provides Consistent Hermeneutics

This subject will be dealt with later (see chapter 5). For now it suffices to say that dispensationalism claims to employ principles of literal, plain, normal, or historical-grammatical interpretation consistently.

Covenant theologians are well known for their use of nonliteral interpretation, especially when interpreting prophecy, and they are equally well known for their amillennialism, which is only the natural outcome of such a hermeneutic. Premillennialists who are not dispensationalists also have to depart from normal interpretation at certain points in their eschatology. For example, Ladd, in order to add support to his posttribulational view, is forced to regard the 144,000 of Revelation 7 as referring not to literal Israel but to spiritual Israel, or the church.[29] Further, he cannot agree with the dispensationalist's idea of the Jewish character of Matthew's gospel,[30] but he nowhere explains, for instance, how he can interpret in any normal way our Lord's words of commission to the Twelve recorded in Matthew 10:5-10. Anyone who attempts to interpret plainly this commission, which forbade the disciples to go to the Gentiles, and the commission that commands the same group to go to the Gentiles (Matt. 28:19-20) either (1) gives up in confusion or (2) resorts to spiritualizing one of the passages or (3) recognizes a dispensational distinction.

If plain or normal interpretation is the only valid hermeneutical principle and if it is consistently applied, it will cause one to be a dispensationalist. As basic as one believes normal interpretation to be, and as consistently as he uses it in interpreting Scripture, to that extent he will of necessity become a dispensationalist.

SUMMARY

Dispensationalism, then, claims to be a help in supplying the answer to the need for biblical distinctions, in offering a satisfying philosophy of history, and in employing a consistently normal principle of interpretation. These are basic areas in proper understanding of the Bible. If dispensationalism has the answers, then it is the most helpful tool in consistent biblical interpretation. If not, it ought to be minimized or discarded.

NOTES

[1]. AWPink, The Divine Covenants (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1973), 10. [2]. John Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: A Critique of Dispensationalism (Brentwood, Tenn.: Wolgemuth & Hyatt, 1991), 150, 262. [3]. Dale Moody, The Word of Truth (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1981), 555 -- 56. [4]. Philip Mauro, The Gospel of the Kingdom (Boston: Hamilton Bros., 1928), 8 -- 9. [5]. Oswald T Allis, Prophecy and the Church (Philadelphia: Presb. & Ref., 1945), 262. [6].Daniel Payton Fuller, "The Hermeneutics of Dispensationalism (unpublished Th.D. diss., Northern Baptist Theological Seminary, Chicago, 1957), 386. [7]. John Wick Bowman, "The Bible and Modern Religions: II. Dispensationalism," Interpretation 10 (April 1956): 172. [8]. Presbyterian Journal, 2 January 1963, 8. [9]. Rousas Rushdoony, in the Foreword to the 2d ed. of Greg Bahnsen, Theonomy in Christian Ethics (Phillipsburg, NJ.: Presb. & Ref., 1984). [10]. David Chilton, Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation (Fort Worth: Dominion, 1987), 494. [11]. Bowman, "The Bible and Modern Religions," 172. [12]. Arnold B. Rhodes, ed., The Church Faces the Isms (New York: Abingdon, 1958). [13]. Gerstner, Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth, 69. [14]. Ibid., x. [15]. Clarence B. Bass, Backgrounds to Dispensationalism (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1960), 99. [16]. Cf. Rhodes, The Church Faces the Isms, 106 -- 7. [17]. Bass, Backgrounds to Dispensationalism, 9. [18]. Moody, The Word of Truth, 555. [19]. Richard J. Foster, Celebration of Discipline (San Francisco: Harper, 1988), 52 n. [20]. Ronald H. Nash, The New Evangelicalism (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1963), 168. [21]. Bruce K. Waltke, "Critical Appraisal of Dispensationalism (printed notes for a lecture at Philadelphia College of Bible, 22 February 1991), 5. [22]. Craig A Blaising, "Dispensationalism: The Search for Definition," in Dispensationalisin, Israel and the Church, ed. Craig A Blaising and Darrell L. Bock (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1992), 15. [23]. Darrell L. Bock, "Charting Dispensationalism, Christianity Today 12 September 1994, 26. [24]. Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1941), 293 -- 301. [25]. L. S. Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas: Dallas Seminary Press, 1936), 9. [26]. Karl Lowith, Meaning in History (Chicago: Univ of Chicago Press, 1949), l. [27]. Alva J. McClain, "A Premillennial Philosophy of History," Bibliotheca Sacra 113 (April 1956): 113 -- 14. [28]. James Orr, The Progress of Dogma (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, n.d.), 303. [29]. George E. Ladd, The Blessed Hope (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), 126. [30]. Ibid., 133 -- 34.

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Dispensationalism. Charles C. Ryrie. Moody Press, Chicago. 1995. Pages 11-21.


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1 posted on 05/17/2004 1:19:50 PM PDT by fishtank
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Read later.


2 posted on 05/17/2004 1:35:30 PM PDT by opus86
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"There is some truth in the two statements "Any person is a dispensationalist who trusts the blood of Christ rather than bringing an animal sacrifice" and "Any person is a dispensationalist who observes the first day of the week rather than the seventh.[25] That is true simply because every person who does not bring an animal sacrifice or who does not observe Saturday as his day of worship recognizes the need for distinctions in the interpretation of the Bible. The dispensationalist feels that his system supplies the answer to that need."


3 posted on 05/17/2004 2:24:42 PM PDT by fishtank
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1 vote for heresy.


4 posted on 05/17/2004 2:39:33 PM PDT by dangus
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"Dispensationalism, then, claims to be a help in supplying the answer to the need for biblical distinctions, in offering a satisfying philosophy of history, and in employing a consistently normal principle of interpretation. These are basic areas in proper understanding of the Bible. If dispensationalism has the correct answers, then it is the most helpful tool in consistent biblical interpretation. "
5 posted on 05/17/2004 2:45:12 PM PDT by dangus
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Heresy!
But there is further reason, and a pressing one today, why we should write upon our present subject, and that is to expose the modern and pernicious error of Dispensationalism. This is a device of the Enemy, designed to rob the children of no small part of that bread which their heavenly Father has provided for their souls; a device wherein the wily serpent appears as an angel of light, feigning to "make the Bible a new book" by simplifying much in it which perplexes the spiritually unlearned. It is sad to see how widely successful the devil has been by means of this subtle innovation. It is likely that some of our own readers, when perusing the articles upon the interpretation of the Scriptures, felt more than once that we were taking an undue liberty with Holy Writ, that we made use of certain passages in a way altogether unjustifiable, that we appropriated to the saints of this Christian era what does not belong to them but is rather addressed unto those who lived in an entirely different dispensation of the past, or one which is yet future.
A Study of Dispensationalism by A.W. Pink
6 posted on 05/18/2004 9:13:52 AM PDT by topcat54
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There is no identifiable "system of dispensationalism" today.
Referring to Dispensationalism the reviewer said: though the author had done his home-work, he is shooting at a moving target. It is no longer possible to speak of Dispensationalism as a unit. In the earlier days the system had a degree of various offshoots, but if Darby, Scofield, or even Chafer were to return today, they would be bewildered by the widely divergent stances of those still called dispensationalists. The reviewer was certainly correct when he referred to Dispensationalism as a "moving target." It has been and is a moving target. The question is what the next move will be.
Lordship, Non-Lordship and Dispensationalism by Ernest Reisinger

Roman Catholicism becomes more acceptable when it adopts protestant ideas, practices, forms of worship, etc. Dispensationalism has appeal for much the same reason. The older, wilder dispensationalism of Scofield et. al. has morphed into the "new Dallas" views. Even the dispensationalism of Ryrie is not the same as the dispensationalism of Chafer. Where dispensationalism has been successful it is because it has moved closer to classic (covenant) theology.

Of course once you get close enough to covenant theology the final, illogical pieces of dispensationalism become apparent and then it is time to cast them off altogether.

Old school (classic) dispensationalism today exists mostly in the fantasy books of the Left Behind series. Old schoolers have pretty much given up trying to do serious biblical exegesis.

7 posted on 05/18/2004 9:50:03 AM PDT by topcat54
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Could both of you list some of the heresies of dispensationalism?

Thanks.


8 posted on 05/18/2004 12:52:12 PM PDT by fishtank
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The dispensationalist believes that the sum total of the trajectory of humanity is towards evil. Therefore, he sees little point in being a vessel of prevening grace, of attempting to establish justice, and of providing basic charity to the unconverted; the reign of evil is inevitable and its victory complete. The apocalypse, therefore, is the only means of ending suffering, and he therefore awaits the crisis with joy: He confidently expects that he will not suffer.

The preferred alternative:
Humanity is enterring a deepening crisis between good and evil which is at present a luke-warm numbness. However, the foundation for the glory of Christ is being laid by the grace-inspired works of God's holy people who are building the Church as a fortress against the gathering evil. They avidly pursue justice and charity to bring souls to where they can receive Christ. They pray to hold off the coming trial, until their works of gathering souls to be saved is complete. They expect that the end times will likely bring great suffering to themselves, but they accept that suffering out of their profound love and compassion for sinners; they know that their suffering purifies them, and makes them great among the children of God.

However, I had my tongue slightly in cheek when I declared dispensationalism a heresy. Many of these distinctions, you will notice, are "fuzzy," and comprised more of differences in approach than concrete, irreconcilable, logical differences.


9 posted on 05/18/2004 1:24:56 PM PDT by dangus
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Two of the main heresies are the pretribulation rapture and the radical distinction between the Israel and the church. Related to both, there is also the heresy that God has a plan for physical Jews (aka national Israel) of the future to suffer some unspeakable holocaust for no reason other than they are Jews.

Most of the other quirky dispensational teachings (e.g., teachings on law vs. grace) are related to these major errors.


10 posted on 05/18/2004 1:35:10 PM PDT by topcat54
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"...and the radical distinction between the Israel and the church. Related to both, there is also the heresy that God has a plan for physical Jews (aka national Israel) of the future to suffer some unspeakable holocaust for no reason other than they are Jews."

Thanks to both of you. I am from a dispy church background but am now in a MacArthur-type church. Thanks for helping to understand the Reformed objections to dispy-ism (which I proudly adhere to).

I do think the Israel issue you reference has more to do with the promise of the future glory of physical Israel.
No one likes to think about future deaths caused by the AC - be they Jew or Gentile.




11 posted on 05/18/2004 3:45:54 PM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

If this is a serious, spiritual quest, there are several "responses" to Left Behind that might be good reading. It's odd to read the assertion that Catholics are dispensationalist, because they absolutely are not! As a Catholic, we believe that our works (inspired by grace) allow us to participate with Christ in the act of propitiation: Quite the opposite of dispensationalism!

I'm not sure what a MacArthur-type church is. Are they waiting for him to return to the Phillipines? I better check... lessee... the letter to the Phillipines is right after "Galatians," right? Here's to driving Satan back to the 51st parallel! If MacArthur-type churches aren't dispenationalist do they believe in General Absolution? (Corporal acts of mercy? Private intentions? Major Creeds? Kernals of hope?)


12 posted on 05/18/2004 4:24:46 PM PDT by dangus
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To: fishtank

>>No one likes to think about future deaths caused by the AC - be they Jew or Gentile.<<

Death by AC? Is that why Hell is so hot? No AC?


13 posted on 05/18/2004 4:25:57 PM PDT by dangus
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To: fishtank
I do think the Israel issue you reference has more to do with the promise of the future glory of physical Israel.

Again, only if you believe in the radical distinction between the church and Israel; God's so-called heavenly people and His so-called earthly people.

No one likes to think about future deaths caused by the AC - be they Jew or Gentile.

I don't think about it since it's not in the Bible.

14 posted on 05/18/2004 4:45:58 PM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
The word "heresy" should be used with care; I'm not convinced dispensationalism per se, even if we grant that is in error, is a heresy.
15 posted on 05/18/2004 4:53:01 PM PDT by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: jude24
Main Entry: her·e·sy
Pronunciation: 'her-&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -sies
Etymology: Middle English heresie, from Old French, from Late Latin haeresis, from Late Greek hairesis, from Greek, action of taking, choice, sect, from hairein to take
1 a : adherence to a religious opinion contrary to church dogma b : denial of a revealed truth by a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church c : an opinion or doctrine contrary to church dogma
2 a : dissent or deviation from a dominant theory, opinion, or practice b : an opinion, doctrine, or practice contrary to the truth or to generally accepted beliefs or standards
Given the nature of most dispensational distinctives, I think it fits the definition, esp. 1c. I wouild place them in the same category as RC doctrines like the sacrifice of the Mass and papal supremacy.
16 posted on 05/18/2004 5:29:14 PM PDT by topcat54
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I'm not certain I'd consider papal supremecy or the "sacrifice of the mass" a "heresy" either.

To me, a "heresy" is something, to quote the Athanasian Creed, contrary to "the holy catholic faith, which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, he shall perish everlastingly."

Unless you're willing to say that "if you believe in dispensationalism, your errors will lead you into hell," you cannot call it a heresy.

17 posted on 05/18/2004 5:37:47 PM PDT by jude24 (sola gratia)
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To: fishtank

FASCINATING ARTICLE.

Thanks.

I believe he wrote a great historical and theological summary including a diversity of significant perspectives.

I think he makes some excellent points.

I hope you have your HAZMAT suit on, however. Brace yourself.

Blessings,


18 posted on 05/18/2004 5:50:39 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: jude24

And you are entitled to your definition, but it does not square exactly with the one I presented.


19 posted on 05/19/2004 6:16:42 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: dangus

That's John MacArthur, author of many books including "The Gospel According to Jesus".

He's otherwise a fine teacher and author, although in the last two years I've stopped agreeing with him on the Lordship salvation issue.

I'm not sure you're familiar with him, so maybe this is Greek for now. (No fault of yours, btw.)


20 posted on 05/19/2004 6:54:35 AM PDT by fishtank
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