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To: HarleyD
I'm sorry, could you point to the part where the pope states that Muslims "don't need to convert". I can't seem to find it. All I see is a man pointing out some of the similarities between Islam and Christianity and making a tacit appeal for Muslims to take the next steep into the fullness of faith.

Maybe I need to get my handy dandy Calvinist anti-papal reading glasses out...

19 posted on 05/13/2004 10:31:23 AM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: conservonator
Pope said: This is a truth which Christians inherited from the children of Israel and which they share with Muslims: it is faith in the one God

Do they have faith in "one God" or is this another inconsistency?

It would be helpful to go over to the Papal & Islam thread as this is becoming redundant.

20 posted on 05/13/2004 10:42:03 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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To: conservonator
It's not a matter of taking the next step. While Christians do worship the One True God, no other religion can take a single step to receive the full bloessing of God.

Other than Judaism, that is, and that is because Judaism is promised a Messiah from the same God, Jehovah, that we Christians worship. Christians believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of the promises.

The Muslim religion worships Allah, and that is not a language change from EL, but rather another god who is attributed the same characteristics as the Judeo-Christian God, Jehovah.

A devout Muslim is no nearer to God than a devout Wiccan, devout Buddhist, or devout Atheist.

All humans must come to Christ and believe He is the Messiah, the Promised One of Jehovah. Without Christ, no one can be right with God, because we are not made right by our own works, but we are given the righteousness of Christ.

Imagine a man directing another man how to walk out of the forest. The first having gone out and now communicating to the other how to get out himself.
1st:"Do you see trees?"
2nd:"Yes."
1st:"Do you see moss growing on the trees, onone side?"
2nd:"Yes."
1st:"Great, that is the north side, and you are exactly where I was. Make a mad dash north and you will be free."
2nd:"Roger that..." a few moments later a scream is heard and the radio goes to static because he was not near the same place but rather on a cliff side in another forest. But, the Pope would say, "It was so similar, he must have been in the same place."

Now, I do not hate Muslims by being strictly Jesus Only. I only want them to see the truth, and not a lie that sounds more acceptable.

Sensei Ern
21 posted on 05/13/2004 11:01:07 AM PDT by Sensei Ern
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To: conservonator
I'm sorry, could you point to the part where the pope states that Muslims "don't need to convert".

With all due respect, the quote from the Pope posted in the above post makes it appear they don't need to convert in his opinion. Do you think he means something else, or that I am misunderstanding his comments?

68 posted on 05/14/2004 7:08:46 PM PDT by ladyinred (Torture is what happened to Nick Berg!)
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