Vatican says Mass norms must be followed exactly to ensure reverence

Catholic News Service ^ | April 23, 2004 | Cindy Wooden

[Desdemona]

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[Desdemona]

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I don't recall who all wanted to be pinged.

[Desdemona]

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[Gerish]

"The norm of the church is clear," he said. "The church exists in the United States. There are bishops there, let them interpret it."

But don't hold your breath waiting for them to do it....

[NYer]

Already posted twice!

[Desdemona]

I couldn't find that story. That was the one I was after.

[Investment Biker]

Our parish priest went through a long dissertation on reverence and when we should bow and who is allowed on the alter when. After hearing him I thought to my self that they should put back up the communion rails and turn the alter to face the cross like it was pre-Vatican II. For me it just does not cut it this emphasis on the priest as the intercessor to God.

Two weeks later the parish priest was arrested for trolling homosexuals (undercover cop) in a park in another city.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Hi I found it!

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

Defenders of the Faith Ping!!!

I noticed one or two things I gotta get on my place about now!

[bankwalker]

put back up the communion rails and turn the alter to face the cross like it was pre-Vatican II.

You would LOVE this place.

[Desdemona]

Some of the churches here still have communion rails. Truly, if we kneel do we really need the rail? You can do it without the rail. I guess it just makes things more formal.

And I wish we would use chant more often.

[ArrogantBustard]

I wish we could forever be rid of "Glory & Praise", St. Louis Jesuits, and OCP.

[Desdemona]

You're describing my childhood.

I didn't get all the way through the document before my magnificent pooch started dancing to go out. I'll have to look and see what it said about music.

[netmilsmom]

Thanks D.

Is it me or does this actually say nothing changes? We will still have Altar girls, 15 lay people handing out communion and raising our hands at the Our Father, type stuff.

[ArrogantBustard]

You're describing my childhood.

And??? I'm also describing part of my adolescence and young adulthood ... as well as the current situation in many places. IMO, most of that music stinks.

[Desdemona]

Is it me or does this actually say nothing changes? We will still have Altar girls, 15 lay people handing out communion and raising our hands at the Our Father, type stuff.

The way I read it is, and I got this from the full document, not the news stories, - the bishops have discretion and this is what they are supposed to do. When the dog falls asleep, I'll finish reading it. She's been a pest this morning. I didn't get much past the priests.

[Desdemona]

Most of the music is pretty bad, but I think a good chunck of that can be chalked up to ignorance. Before I trained in voice and really learned classical, I used to like it. Really, the bad music is a byproduct of poor or lack of musical education. The kids in my family were at least exposed to classical when we were young. Some people I know can't name Beethoven's Fifth when they hear it.

[ArrogantBustard]

I spent over a decade studying classical piano, as a child ...

Most of the music is pretty bad, but I think a good chunck of that can be chalked up to ignorance.

Are you saying that the composers or the congregations are musically ignorant. Or both?

[Desdemona]

I spent over a decade studying classical piano, as a child ...

My hands are so small, I can only reach a seventh. Even flute - I couldn't move on to openhole because my hands are too small. Oboe was easier.

Are you saying that the composers or the congregations are musically ignorant. Or both?

Congregations, yes. A good number of music directors and "liturgists". Several of the "composers" don't demonstrate in their writing much of a knowledge of good writing. Some do, but right now they are few and far between and their material usually gets taken out of the annual music issues.