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Panel: conservative resurgence was about theology, not politics
Baptist Press News ^ | Apr 15, 2004 | David Roach & Jeff Robinson

Posted on 04/16/2004 5:51:44 AM PDT by HarleyD

Theology, not politics, was the fuel that fired the conservative resurgence in the Southern Baptist Convention, members of a panel at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary said April 13 during a 25th anniversary commemoration of the resurgence.

While opponents of the resurgence argued that politics drove the conservative cause, it was theological issues in general, and the inerrancy of Scripture in particular, that animated conservative concerns, panelists said.

The panel consisted of Southern Seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr.; Union University President David S. Dockery; Russell D. Moore, dean of Southern’s School of Theology; and Gregory A. Wills, associate professor of church history at Southern Seminary. Wills also serves as director of the Center for the Study of the SBC, the symposium sponsor.

“In the beginning, in the middle and in the end, the controversy in the Southern Baptist Convention was about theology,” Mohler said. “... Even when those who denied it was theological made their arguments most vociferously, they did so in theological terms.

“Undergirding every assertion, not only in the closet, but standing out in the forefront of every debate was theology. It is inescapably so because theology is the most fundamental issue of our knowledge, of our truth claims, of our thinking. It is the establishment of our worldview. ... Theology is the essence of the church.”

The Southern Baptist Convention and its seminaries held to the inerrancy of Scripture without debate until the dawn of the 20th century, Mohler said. This began to change in the first half of the century when Enlightenment ideology began to exert an influence on the denomination’s seminaries, he said.

Enlightenment philosophy questioned the inspiration, inerrancy and authority of the Bible. Once these views took hold in the seminaries, the resurgence was necessary, he said.

“For the first time Enlightenment ideologies and philosophies as a challenge to revelation itself came to Southern shores, to Southern states and into the bosom of the Southern Baptist Convention,” Mohler said.

“If you accept the fundamental naturalistic and secular assumptions of the Enlightenment, then you can no longer think of Scripture as the revealed Word of God, the Word of God written.

“Instead, you see the Scripture as eloquent, articulate, moving and even consensually important documents that reflect how human beings have apprehended the divine reality. But you can no longer say ‘as Scripture speaks, God speaks.’”

Dockery pointed to the influence of pragmatism and naturalistic methods of biblical criticism on SBC schools in the middle of the 20th century. These drew the denomination away from its historic view of Scripture, he said.

“When the controversy began in 1979, one of the first responses ... was that people began to proclaim ... that inerrancy has never been a part of our Baptist heritage,” he said. “Yet a further reflection shows that not to be the case.”

Dating back to Southern Seminary founders James Boyce and Basil Manly, Southern Baptists have defended the inerrancy of the Bible, Dockery said. Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary founder B.H. Carroll exemplified the historic Baptist view of Scripture when he said that it “is logically impossible for the so-called truth of science or philosophy to conflict or contradict ... the truth of the Bible,” Dockery said.

But in the 1950s various Southern Baptists began to emphasize denominational programs at the expense of theological depth, Dockery said. This move away from doctrinal emphases provided fertile ground for theological moderates to attack the doctrine of inerrancy, Dockery said.

“That’s when the controversy surrounding the nature of Scripture entered the public arena,” he said. “A theological understanding was lacking to examine and evaluate such issues. Even men and women who never questioned the reliability of the biblical message ... were confused by terms like ‘inerrant’ and ‘infallibility,’ which had been employed in previous generations.”

The 1960s and 1970s saw a series of battles between moderates and conservatives over the nature of Scripture, Dockery said. Moderates produced such works as “The Message of Genesis” by Ralph Elliott while conservatives responded with books like W.A. Criswell’s “Why I Preach that the Bible is Literally True.”

As conservatives gained control of the denomination over the subsequent decades, inerrancy emerged as the dominant position among Southern Baptists, returning the convention to its historic roots, Dockery said. If Southern Baptists wish to minister effectively in the coming years, they must continue to defend inerrancy, he said.

“Southern Baptists cannot give up the affirmation of a totally true and trustworthy Bible because this foundational commitment serves all other essential affirmations of the Christian faith,” Dockery said.

“A commitment to a completely truthful and fully authoritative Bible is the first step toward [awakening from] today’s theological and ethical trance that threatens the very heart of the Christian faith.”

While some erroneously argue that the resurgence was driven by a desire to “save America” through battling liberalism on issues such as abortion and homosexuality, Moore said the SBC must not turn the resurgence into a movement that views political and social issues apart from Scripture.

“There are real warnings that we must understand,” Moore said. “The intuitionism that Southern Baptists have expressed in the cultural arena must rest on a theology -- a theology of biblical authority, of conversion, of confessional integrity.

“We cannot be left on the fumes of a previous understanding of Scripture and of the faith once for all delivered to the saints. Where you do not have a bold and robust theology informing Great Commission passion, then so often, all you have left is politics. All you have left is a church that is indeed malleable by the culture ... Where there is no theological identity, there is a danger of becoming a constituency group.”

Wills said the conservative resurgence produced two distinct groups of Baptists -- each claiming to be the heir to authentic Baptist tradition.

Conservatives claim that Baptist tradition most fundamentally includes a commitment to correct doctrine while moderates argue that Baptist tradition is based upon a commitment to freedom, he said.

Careful examination of Baptist history, however, reveals that commitment to right doctrine most accurately represents “the authentic Baptist tradition,” Wills said.

“On the one hand, there was considerable liberalism [in the Southern Baptist Convention], in fact far more than most conservatives even now know, in my estimation, in the seminaries and in the colleges,” he said.

“But more importantly, my point here is that Southern Baptists, throughout their history, have understood [Baptist] tradition to mean that the truth matters, that scriptural faith and practice ought to be a condition of service as a professor in a Baptist college or Baptist seminary, as a missionary under appointment from a Baptist mission board, indeed as a pastor in a Baptist church. This is the authentic Baptist tradition over against the moderate claim that freedom is the Baptist tradition.”


TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: bible
According to the Barna Report, the Southern Baptists today have the fewest problems in their churches. Perhaps there's a connection with their view on God's word? Just a hunch.
1 posted on 04/16/2004 5:51:45 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
"Conservatives claim that Baptist tradition most fundamentally includes a commitment to correct doctrine while moderates argue that Baptist tradition is based upon a commitment to freedom, he said."


Notice in this article that except for 1 instance, "liberal" is never used, only "moderate".

And I won't even comment on the freedoms that liberals care about - vs the *tons* that they do not. Freedom, my !$^%$ (excuse me & forgive me, God!).
2 posted on 04/16/2004 7:58:58 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Hmmm...that's interesting. I think you're right. Generally the Conservative/"Moderate" labels are a tipoff that a liberal wrote the article. I'll have to reread this article.

I thought it was a rather positive article but maybe there's something more behind it than I thought.
3 posted on 04/16/2004 9:21:27 AM PDT by HarleyD (For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
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I think it's a rather positive article, too, just had to make those notes about it. Sometimes even conservatives are so brain-washed that they dare not use terms that mite make the left side seem extreme (hence, only Rush and all mite use something like "ultra-liberal" - but "ultra-cons" is everywhere!).
4 posted on 04/16/2004 10:08:20 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue)
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To: HarleyD
Righteous bump for later reading!

“Undergirding every assertion, not only in the closet, but standing out in the forefront of every debate was theology. It is inescapably so because theology is the most fundamental issue of our knowledge, of our truth claims, of our thinking. It is the establishment of our worldview. ... Theology is the essence of the church....”

“...If you accept the fundamental naturalistic and secular assumptions of the Enlightenment, then you can no longer think of Scripture as the revealed Word of God, the Word of God written."


6 posted on 04/16/2004 12:29:52 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Ahh, but you misunderstand, a Baptist Theological Liberal is a Moderate Theologian. As in all battles the winners write the history. These are the winners talking. The losers would have a very different take.

That being said, Mohler needs to resign from his leadership at Southern Seminary. His embrace of strict Calvinism is as much at odds with your average Baptist in the pew as the Moderates were two decades ago. Of course he will not because, like the moderates, he believes he is smarter, more educated, more studied that the peasants. Yet he is out of the main stream of Baptist. I wonder if called upon to leave if he would claim the need for some diversity in our seminaries. Hummmm.....

7 posted on 04/16/2004 5:54:00 PM PDT by reflecting
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>His embrace of strict Calvinism is as much at odds with your average Baptist in the pew as the Moderates were two decades ago. <
You might want to check your Southern Baptist history.Traditional Baptist are Calvanistic.The Armenians were in the moderate movement.That is one of the reasons they had a hard time with inerancy, they had a hard time accepting a Soveriegn God.Prior to the rise of moderates in the Southern Baptist Convention Calvinism was part of most ministers theology.While they walk the middle ground for political reasons you would probably find most of the pastors of the leading churches in the convention today lean toward Calvinism.The only "Free will southern Baptist" I know are in the CBF churches or a few Southern Baptist Churches that give to both associations.
8 posted on 04/18/2004 1:22:15 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Blessed
Are you Southern Baptist? If so you are very young and ill informed....and your history is amiss....I know there is a current fervor among many to calvinize baptist history, but it is revisionism. We have been from the earliest days quite a mix...and the notion of linking moderate theology with Armenians is nonsense. truly nonsense. Would you call Billy Graham a moderate? Investigate what Paige Patterson president at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary has to say about this. No one ever accused P. P. of being a moderate or being politically correct. Hoot man!
9 posted on 04/18/2004 3:49:58 PM PDT by reflecting
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I am a Southern Baptist and have been for 40 years.If you listen to Billy and read some of his writing he expresses moderate views away from the pulpit.I agree with you that we are a mixed bag.Like many Baptist I look at Calvinism vs. Armenianism on a continuum .While not 5 point Calvinist most are 4 or 4 1/2 point.

Assuming you are a Southern Baptist,do you or your church support the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship?
10 posted on 04/19/2004 8:30:48 AM PDT by Blessed
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To: Blessed
No indeed we do not and I have you by about seven years :), but anyway good to talk to a fellow Southern Baptist. We are quite conservative, but I would never, never consider B. G. to be a moderate, how sad that you do.

As far as your "average Baptist" let's go down the list.
T- maybe yes
U-absolutely no
L- absolutely positively no
I- big no again
P-yes

So at best your at a 2. Maybe we should do a poll? The trouble would be in the wording.

11 posted on 04/19/2004 9:45:23 AM PDT by reflecting
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To: reflecting
Even Page Patterson calls himself a 2 to 3 point Calvinist.You can't believe in the perseverance of the saints and not accept God's sovereignty.I can't remember meeting a Baptist that denied this or wasn't sure about original sin.

Are you by chance from Texas?
12 posted on 04/19/2004 10:07:42 AM PDT by Blessed
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To: Blessed
No. I absolutely believe in the sovereignty of God. God is absolutely sovereignty in all matters. That does not translate into tulip.
13 posted on 04/19/2004 10:47:30 AM PDT by reflecting
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>No. I absolutely believe in the sovereignty of God. God is absolutely sovereignty in all matters. That does not translate into tulip<

That God's sovereignty is the centerpiece of TULIP.How is God sovereign in all matters if you deny his part in salvation.

Do you believe regeneration is a free will act of man or God's work?
14 posted on 04/19/2004 2:58:03 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Blessed
Friend,we can go down this long road of verse for verse, quote for quote, and still in the end we will not agree. I will assert my absolute faith in the Word of God as truth with out error, and you will also, yet still we will not agree.

You will say, ah but you just don't understand and I will protest and say I understand completely and still disagree. I will be baffled at how you could come to such conclusions based on God's revelation of Himself to us, and you will doubt I know Him at all with such a diminished view.

So it is a matter without resolution. If I could with convincing words share with you my understanding I would do so, but I can not. So with very feeble words let me simply say that God is beyond any imagination of man, He is not like us, He is limitless. We operate in 3 dimensions plus time/space. He is not limited to any dimension. For my limited understanding, I believe that God is so great that we can not understand how He has designed our salvation, that we are not even called to understand, we are simply called to respond. We can not know how God does what He does. He never reveals to us the "how" just the "what."

For example look to creation, we know "what" God did but it unconcievable to us "how" He did it. To suppose we can lay out a system that defines God's methods is rather silly to my mind and goes well beyond his written revelation to us.

15 posted on 04/20/2004 10:59:51 AM PDT by reflecting
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