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> Nor do I have a need to prove that the Shroud is authentic.

Riiiiiight. Sure thing, "Shroudie."

> The evidence favors authenticity. There is no realistic evidence to the contrary.

Oh, sure. Just as the evidence favors Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster and that tortilla with the Baby Elvis on it...

> I think the inference that it is Jesus is reasonable, in fact close to certain.

Wow. Let's assume that it *really* *is* 1st century and formed due to havign an actual dead guy wrapped in it. Do you have any idea how many guys were crucified in the 1st century?

> Sure, and the science of the Shroud is compelling as is the history

Indeed. The provenance of the shroud is indisputable, and goes back all the way to when Christ was crucified in 1357.

> The point of this thread has been to understand and discuss the second image on the Shroud.

So capilary action drew the image dye to the other side. Whoop-de-crap, big hairy deal.

> Does the Shroud affect my faith? No...

But it does seem to consume you. Why do I have this image of Gollum?

It is time to admit that you have no idea what you are talking about. I am truly wasting my time replying.

You are ignoring the science. Capillary action of a dye, ink or paint through the cloth would leave imaging throughout the cloth. You are ignoring the fact that the image is superficial to the outer crowns on the outmost fibers of the cloth faces. In other word capillary action will not work. You are also continuing to ignore the fact that numerous spectrographic tests, wet chemical analysis and microscopic examination have ruled out paint, dye, and ink.

As for how many people were crucified in the first century. Sometimes several thousand per month. But you fail to understand that almost all were not buried but left on crosses as carion or tossed into charnal pits, without benefit of Shroud. The Gospel accounts tell us that Jesus was an exception. Any shrouds that were used for a few would have decomposed in the tomb unless the tomb was empty. You might want to study up on 2nd-Temple burial practices in the environs of Jerusalem. Tombs were generally not opened for about a year for reburial of remains in ossuaries.

I realize that I am wasting my time replying to you. But it is fun. Shroudie