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To: Unam Sanctam
I started another thread on this subject last night, but this one has better pictures. In what I posted there is a link to an article in the British Catholic weekly, "The Tablet".

The article is either the same or similar to Holy Fire sets Orthodox rivalry ablaze in Jerusalem

wherein it is stated:

Pope Gregory IX banned Roman Catholics from participating in the ceremony in 1238.

I wonder if the ban was ever lifted or rescinded and if it is binding through the centuries.

Also ""In this worst situation I had to use my emergency light, a cigarette lighter," he later admitted." The article tells of a dispute between the Greek and Armenian patriarch wherein the Greek blew out the Armenian's candle . . .

What was he doing with a lighter?

15 posted on 04/11/2004 6:19:47 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: Aliska
Pope Gregory IX banned Roman Catholics from participating in the ceremony in 1238.

Never heard that before.

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00736

That article reports that he banned the Franciscan clergy from participating. That sounds more like a matter of mixing of the clergy in religious celebrations, than a ban on the faithful. The same article reports Urban II urged Crusaders at Clermont onwards by recounting the miracle.

34 posted on 04/12/2004 6:12:24 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Aliska
I am not offended by your attempts to discredit the Holy Fire. Deliberate deceptions are nothing new for us, and I am first among sinners.

The Orthodox are not free from sin, and I have said here before that we are contentious. If you think your critical thinking skills are reliable, though, you might want to take a second look at what you have posted. The Armenians are not Orthodox. And it is funny to me how quickly you accept the truth of the secular press...I am thinking of the many times those in your church have indignantly posted about the same issue. But only in reference to your own church, of course. So much for critical thinking.

45 posted on 04/12/2004 12:13:33 PM PDT by MarMema
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