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An unscientific poll RE; Credence of Creeds(AKA a vanity)
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| 3/31/2004
| conservonator
Posted on 03/31/2004 1:18:22 PM PST by conservonator
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To: SoothingDave
Is it OK to say that we agree on the creeds if we don't agree what they mean?
I didn't say that I agreed with you. ;^)
61
posted on
04/01/2004 11:49:54 AM PST
by
Quester
To: Quester
See post #59. OK, thanks. Do all Protestant denominations believe in regenerative water baptism?
62
posted on
04/01/2004 11:50:01 AM PST
by
Titanites
(DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM)
To: Quester
One might say that we are baptized with water externally, ... while we are baptized with the Holy Spirit internally. Well, yes. But this isn't a "Baptist" expression, that I am aware of.
SD
To: Titanites
OK, thanks. Do all Protestant denominations believe in regenerative water baptism?
All Protestants baptize externally with water ... and believe that we are baptized internally with the Holy Spirit.
That's as cohesive a statement as I can come to on this.
And I believe that it is covered by the credal statement ... We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
64
posted on
04/01/2004 11:59:07 AM PST
by
Quester
To: Quester
"All Protestants baptize externally with water ... and believe that we are baptized internally with the Holy Spirit." That's as cohesive a statement as I can come to on this.
But they don't all believe that the water baptism takes place at the same time as the internal baptism.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
That's two baptisms by my count. One in water, one in the HS.
SD
To: SoothingDave
One might say that we are baptized with water externally, ... while we are baptized with the Holy Spirit internally.
Well, yes. But this isn't a "Baptist" expression, that I am aware of.
Baptists baptize externally with water ... and believe that we are baptized internally with the Holy Spirit.
66
posted on
04/01/2004 12:01:35 PM PST
by
Quester
To: Quester
That's as cohesive a statement as I can come to on this. I know you are struggling to come up with a palatable answer and that this will probably have to suffice. You have said there are no core differences in belief between Protestants. So from your statments on baptism, I take it that you, as a Baptist, agree with the Anglicans that a single baptism, with water, regenerates (is done for the forgiveness of sin). Right?
67
posted on
04/01/2004 12:51:51 PM PST
by
Titanites
(DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM)
To: SoothingDave
Please search on Fatima.
68
posted on
04/01/2004 12:58:10 PM PST
by
HarleyD
(For strong is he who carries out God's word. (Joel 2:11))
To: Titanites
I know you are struggling to come up with a palatable answer and that this will probably have to suffice. You have said there are no core differences in belief between Protestants. So from your statments on baptism, I take it that you, as a Baptist, agree with the Anglicans that a single baptism, with water, regenerates (is done for the forgiveness of sin). Right?
Protestants do not regard any differences in our beliefs regarding baptism to be a violation of our ultimate unity.
We know that Catholics are more rigid in their beliefs on such things ... but we do not follow the Catholic model ... we base our belief on the Word of God, as presented in the scriptures.
69
posted on
04/01/2004 2:05:33 PM PST
by
Quester
(The mills of God may grind slowly, ... but they grind exceedingly fine.)
To: conservonator
Aside from uncertainty over whether we'd agree on the definition of a couple of terms, I'd say I generally agree with the doctrinal content of what you posted. However, I absolutely reject any such man-made creeds. My sole creed is the Bible. If man-made creeds are different from what the Bible teaches, then they are in error. If they are the same, then what is the point of having them?
70
posted on
04/01/2004 2:11:45 PM PST
by
Sloth
(We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
To: Sloth
If they are the same, then what is the point of having them? They are remarkably more succinct.
However, I absolutely reject any such man-made creeds. My sole creed is the Bible.
You ever quote just part of the Bible, or explain something in your own words? Do you believe in the Trinity?
SD
To: conservonator
And don't you find it curious that nearly everyone has found it either difficult or of no interest to give a simple yes or no answer?
ALL of BOTH
Conservonator, if you'd double check the question... I don't think that simply saying YES or NO would work, would it? :-)
FReegards.
To: GirlShortstop
Conservonator, if you'd double check the question... I don't think that simply saying YES or NO would work, would it? :-) FReegards. Gasp!! you're right! ...damn...looks like the short answers would be "all", "none" or "some" and the "some" answer begs further explanation.
Good catch, mea culpa (that's two in two days!)
73
posted on
04/01/2004 2:28:41 PM PST
by
conservonator
(Blank by popular demand)
To: conservonator
Good catch, mea culpa (that's two in two days!)
I dig Latin. No blame. I just wanted to be sure you'd see the responses as I and possibly others thought the best way to answer your question. I also selfishly didn't want to you to consider too many words as "curious". :-) FReegards!
To: Quester
Protestants do not regard any differences in our beliefs regarding baptism to be a violation of our ultimate unity. No worries. I figured you weren't going to answer.
75
posted on
04/01/2004 2:42:11 PM PST
by
Titanites
(DN IHS CHS REX REGNANTIUM)
To: conservonator
Your #29:
(LDS ... are not to my knowledge, Christians ) Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS, Mormons) are Christians.
76
posted on
04/01/2004 5:22:52 PM PST
by
White Mountain
(By their fruits ye shall know them.)
To: conservonator
I think one area of difference between Catholic and Protestant would be in this part of the Apostles Creed:
I believe in
the communion of saints
77
posted on
04/01/2004 11:22:53 PM PST
by
D-fendr
To: conservonator
Oh, and put me down for "All."
78
posted on
04/01/2004 11:26:23 PM PST
by
D-fendr
To: Quester
We Orthodox do not 'opt out on the Nicean Creed', but preserve it in its original form without the erroneous addition of the filioque.
To: NYer
Your telling of the failure of the False Union of Florence/Ferrar is obviously false. The Muslims had no influence on the Russian Church, and Isidore, the Russian delegate to Florence who had accepted the False Union was exiled as a heretic immediately upon his return (he died a Roman Catholic cardinal).
Anti-unionist sentiment was strong enough before the Fall of Constantinople that it was expressed by one of the Emperesses "Better the turban than the Latin mitre".
Perhaps after Pascha I'll have time to examine the full post for other errors.
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